LiveBlog for Thursday, August 26, 2010

Good show today guys!

Umm... JMMO... why wouldn't I perk up? Marky Mark had great pecs back then. Any self-respecting homo would perk up.

I heard Rob Reiner on the Alan Colmes show last night. His role in the Prop 8 challenge is very interesting -- he was at the very center of it.

179 - Thanks Amy. But that incident is one of the reasons why I understand Gay Pride events, and why it's important to emphasize pride in your sexuality. Sure, the parades tend to be campy and some of the conserva-queers wish they'd go away. But at the same time, they're quite important for the confused kids.

Have a good day, bloggenmooksters.

Have a great day, everyone!

205. :lol:

Protein-infused? The mind reels!

>> Klassie says:
>> Radio Shack outed Mehlman so they could sell gaydar again

I've always thought the "gaydar" think was WAY overrated.

I've know very effeminate heteros who where constantly being assumed as gay.

And, of course, we've all known a zillion gays who passed as straight.

#195: That's right. Money up front.

SPARTA?

Any ad from American Apparel will do these days. ;)

I was at the beach yesterday and this women in a bikini was talking loudly about her boob job.

I found it interesting, actually.

If it's an issue of Kharma, Mehlman could work it off in his next life as a New York gay penguin.

Salt domes, Jim?

Radio Shack outed Mehlman so they could sell gaydar again

Kat in CMH,

Wow. I just read your post. Thanks for sharing that.

I was raised as a Christian fundamentalist and feel regret for some of things I saw and heard (but rarely spoke-up about) Fortunately, I had enough common sense to not participate in the worst of it.

(That kind of describes you, if I read your post correctly.)

Remember, _they_ did those things, not you.

If you still feel guilt, then there are lots of great ways for you to make amends.

#192 Amy - so true eh?

Chris certainly perked up when Steph mentioned that tease about MarkyMark's undies. What's that all a-boot?

Ken Melmen Had the courage to come out and Steph can relate to that. Ok. Yeah. Ken Melmen also had the courage of his "convictions" to make a lot of money making a lot of peoples lives miserable. That's the difference. As far as I know Steph hasn't made that part of her career. Whatever he thinks he's doing now, it just looks squirmy. He has a long way to go before he can be judged by the nobility of the cause.

192. Yeah. He should stay away from conversation.

Klassie - agree with you re: karmic payback.

It's takes a lot of strength to stand up for what you believe is right especially when you're going against the tide. Those who don't speak up when they had the chance have to live with that knowledge and any consequences for the rest of their lives.

#185: Or Jeff Gannon's... (conspiracy sting!)

#188 He's going to have trouble finding a boyfriend. Anyone smart enough to engage him in conversation will also be aware of Melman's history and stay far far away.

"Computer says no"

BTW, it is typical of Republicans to be against something unless it is benefits them. Suddenly, Ken Mehlman is for gay rights now that he has admitted he is gay. Before that.

There is a difference between voting against your interests and ACTIVELY USING ANTI-GAY LAWS TO MANIPULATE VOTERS AND BRING OUT THE ANTI-GAY FORCES TO THE POLLS TO ENSURE YOUR GUY WINS. There are a lot of gay people, who for whatever reasons, vote for gay marriage bans. But there are few people running a party and pushing for initiatives that will better increase base turnout, against your own interests.

And the Green960 stream just crashed...

Melman will have to make karmic payback of some kind - it's law of universe. Ignore him and let it work itself out.

Bill Maher talking about gay members of the Republican party (including Mehlman) on Larry King's show back in 2006:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33Jub4Itpm4

Big controversy as this was originally edited out of the show. CNN's lawyers were probably all over that.

What, Logan has no comment on Charlie Rangel or George Bush? Or Lying Sacks of Crap?

I wonder if Republicans are going to keep deleting gay references from Melhman's Wikipedia entry?

from kindergarten, the military looked like the emerald city; a passport to mobility that would change everything.... but as it got closer, they came up with more and more roadblocks, until ronald reagan sealed the coffin completely. - timing is everything.

Sounds like a bi- thing.

There's a lot of "both sides" being worked... must be a Washington thing.

Ken Melmen is in a good position to have a positive role in the gay rights movement -- if he is genuinely repentant.

Look at what former-conservative-bomb thrower David Brock has done now that's he's a lib.

I'm not wasting my energy on Mehlman. I already figured he was gay and I screamed at the TV machine enough when he was on it.

I am glad that he has found peace with his sexuality. I am still against much what he stands for and we will see whether or not he is willing to pay any penance for his actions.

#172 You shouldn't feel shame. You were one young kid, taking a stand wouldn't have opened any hearts or minds, it just would have caused a lot of chaos in your life. The military is a big machine, you would have been squashed like a noisy bug.

it's the hypocracy, not the timing

#165 Yeah, and you know libertarians like the Koch Bro's. would do anything to force the government to respect THEIR property rights, but apparently didn't give a flying eff about the property rights of the 'little people' who were in their way. Same attitude is evident with BP and the Gulf.

cue Husker Du; "Makes No Sense At All"

#162 Just a guess (since I'm neither gay nor Republican), money is more important. If you've got the money to live the life you want, who cares what the laws say?
Let's say you're a rich gay man who doesn't want to get married, lower taxes are much more important than whether or not other gays get hitched.

>> flombaye says:
>> but that’s just completely stupid. – for example, what if there’s for example, an atheist, who is in a foxhole.

As a religious person, myself, I never believed that "no atheist in foxholes"

Stress certainly has caused people to reflect on their lives and make changes. This might include getting more religious if that was a neglected value in the first place.

But it's hard to imagine that stress would make you believe in God if you never did in the first-place.

If it did, it would be an odd kind of "faith" and probably not lasting.

duran duran: "no mas quiero comida como el lobo !!!"

For what it's worth, I was in ROTC during the first Gulf War (and the invasion of Panama before that), while I was a student at the University of Cincinnati. I'd been very determined that I was going to make a career of the Army. Then I watched one of the anti-war protests at student union on what was called "The Bridge" (a wide brick-and-mortar arch bridge between the union and one of the academic areas of the campus). Some of my fellow cadets were countering the protests by chanting "end AIDS! Bomb the Bridge!" Over and over they chanted that. This was during a fight over whether the university should end support of ROTC because of the pre-DADT outright ban on homosexuals in the military (you had to sign a sworn statement that you were a heterosexual at the time). So, of course, anti-war = gay = HIV+, and if you were gay or HIV+ you deserved to die. I was HORRIFIED by the display. I felt shame at being associated with the military. I never told the cadre for fear of the repercussions.

In the spring, when our XO was trying to get me to sign on the dotted line and commit myself (and my self) to the military, I made my excuses about why I couldn't do it. But in my mind was first and foremost that moment. Compounding that was the fact that I was questioning my sexuality and my gender identity, and I knew that I couldn't swear a statement of my being a good heterosexual American.

I continue to feel shame about that incident to this day. Why didn't I speak up? Why didn't I say what I knew was right? Why did I allow myself to feel intimidated and hide in shame? It wasn't that I was ashamed of myself, because I wasn't even ready to accept my truth at the time. I was ashamed of the people I'd chosen to associate with; a body that I'd been led to believe was good, that defended our freedoms, and made us better than the dirty Communist Soviets. My illusions had been shattered, and I'd felt sickened by it, and the shame of that moment nearly 20 years ago still sticks with me.

maybe the aforementioned aphorism was meant to denote the observation by a confused witness, that there are not many baptists in culverts or something.

www.npr.org/blogs/watchingwashington/2010/08/26/129444803/is-alaska-really-the-anti-universe-of-politics
["If There Is An Anti-Universe, It's In Alaska"] Palin vs. dad-and-daughter
www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67O3TH20100825 ["Space-based detector could find anti-universe"]
www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129422524
["Finding The Root Of Anti-Gay Sentiment In Uganda" U.S. ties to death penalty campaign]

and then there's Rick Scott who won primary for Fla gov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Scott

Is is a contradiction for us liberals (and Steph fans) to question the timing of Melmen's coming out of the closet?

Does his hypocrisy really mean we can take the gloves off?

Or do we have our own standards we want to live up to?

okay, so i found something on wikipedia about it:
The statement "There are no atheists in foxholes" is an aphorism used to argue that in times of extreme stress or fear, such as when participating in warfare, all people will believe in or hope for a higher power."

but that's just completely stupid. - for example, what if there's for example, an atheist, who is in a foxhole.

you're talking about party platforms when most dont know how or care
to read them

watching Chris while listening to the radio makes it look like Chris is ranting in Steph's voice

>> Mobility Scooter says:
>> #144 Well, the adjacent landowner and I thought about hiring a guy with a backhoe to cut through it a few times,but I’m not sure that would have been be too smart. It was already running with pressurized crude oil by the time we realized what had happened.

Of course. I never would do that either. That's because I'm a law abiding liberal rather than law-snubbing conservative.

We had a famous conservative developer in the county I grew up in and he didn't give two craps about the law. Like you describe, he'd build and then say "sue me."

His actions where in complete contradiction with his expressed "conservative values." Yet, conservatives never seem to notice and elected him to a state office.