Stephanie Miller

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LiveBlog for Wednesday, October 14, 2009

wallisRev. Jim Wallis, founder of Sojourners, calls in at 6:30am Pacific to talk about the importance of health care reform.

Karl Frisch, Senior Fellow at Media Matters for America, calls in at 7:05am Pacific to co-host “Right Wing World.”

Hal Sparks joins the Mooks in studio in L.A. at 8am Pacific for “Humpdays with Hal.”

sarbanesRep. John Sarbanes (D-MD) calls in at 8:30am Pacific to tell us what’s next in the health care reform process.

Historic legislation to expand U.S. health care and control costs won its first GOP supporter yesterday and cleared a key Senate hurdle. “When history calls, history calls,” said Maine GOP-er Olympia Snowe, whose declaration of support ended weeks of suspense and provided the only drama of a 14-9 vote in the Senate Finance Committee.

• House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said yesterday she expects that the House will vote on a health care bill by Thanksgiving and that the House version will have a public plan option.

Rampant government corruption might derail the fight against the Taliban and Al Qaida in Afghanistan, even if as many as 80,000 additional U.S. troops are sent to the war, Gen. Stanley McChrystal has concluded.

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217 Responses to “LiveBlog for Wednesday, October 14, 2009”

  1. trojanrabbit says:

    Gooood morning all!

    Well, according to Mama’s twitter, she has no voice today and Hal will be taking over. Hope you feel better soon, Steph.

  2. shāf says:

    Good Morning, Ladies and Germs!

    And speaking of germs, it sounds like Steph is still fighting her bug. Latest tweet from her and radioguychris is that she is feeling worse. They’ve called Hal Sparks and he’s doing the show with the mooks today.

    Dear Stephanie, we hope you feel better soon. Get lots of rest, it’s really the best medicine. And of course, a hot toddy wouldn’t hurt either!

    Recipe:
    1 tbsp honey
    3/4 glass tea
    2 shots brandy
    1 slice lemon

    Brew tea and fill a tall glass 3/4 full. Mix in honey. Mix in brandy shots. Add lemon slice and enjoy.

  3. Good morning, fine gentlemen. Steph sounded like she was getting worse yesterday, I think a flu bug has been hitting a lot of people.

    Hawaii?

  4. trojanrabbit says:

    Morning shaf.

    Visited kitty last night. Poor guy was obviously drugged up but was very glad to see us. They’re still concerned with some kidney related stuff. If they remove the catheter and he can do his business we should be able to get him home tonight. If not, things get complicated because my wife starts her new job tomorrow. YAYYYYY! after being out since February.

    Vet also mentioned that this could have been brought on by stress. And with roofers making all sorts of noise up above the last few weeks I wouldn’t be surprised. He now growls and hisses if he sees a ladder.

  5. shāf says:

    #4 Lucky sounds like our Buffy. She growls at the sound of the doorbell and runs under the bed. Keeping good thoughts for his recovery and homecoming.

  6. gpo6 says:

    Obama: “blah blah blah… International Community”

    How’s that for old smell? How’s that for “change we can believe in”?

    How’s that as the starting point of the new war effort against Iran?

  7. trojanrabbit says:

    The RW nut on the local “sports” talk morning show is all hot and bothered about the fuss being made about Limbot wanting to buy a stake in the Rams.

    Actually, I don’t really care. It wouldn’t bother me if the NFL gets some more bad press. For all his faults, at least I think Rush would want to keep the Rams where they are unlike a certain family named Irsay who moved the Baltimore Colts in the dead of the night.

  8. Morning, Stephophiliacs!

    Wexler really needs to keep his seat until health care is done. We need all the strong Progressives we can get in the House to hold the line against the corrupt scumbags in the Senate (and some among Obama’s staff *cough* Rahm *cough*).

  9. #7, didn’t the NFL commissioner say “no way” to the bid?

  10. burt bondy says:

    she hacking up lungs all over Ed yesterday .. yuck.

  11. burt bondy says:

    stay away from milk shakes and eggs ………

  12. trojanrabbit says:

    5
    Thanks.

    I am having real anxious feelings today and I’m really out of the loop as to what’s going on because there’s no cell service in the shielded rooms. I just have to get up and turn the phone on once in a while to check on things. Worried about leaving the phone on and killing the battery.

  13. my pooer's dad says:

    4: So, the ladder is affecting his bladder – interesting. Congrats to your wife.

  14. trojanrabbit says:

    9
    Not sure. I know he was not happy about Rush’s involvement.

    Yet we have Pacman Jones and Michael Vick……

  15. shāf says:

    #7 Or Art Modell, who took the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore and left the name behind. Why I’ll never root for the Ravens… the bastid!

  16. #15, I feel the same way about Bud Adams.

  17. #4, good to hear the favorable news on Lucky-kitty.

  18. shāf says:

    It’s Miller Time (sans Miller) y’alls!

  19. Juliet Hussein Bravo says:

    G’morning, bloggistas! Sorry to hear Steph’s on the disabled list, but Steph’s pain is our gain– go Hal!

  20. jram says:

    4. it is really hit or miss with the urinary thing. we have had one kitty that has had to live off of urinary track purina kitty food to help him, two others had to be put down because of the blockage and the surgery was too late. i was able to chip in and help a friend to get the surgery, she went to one of those donation set up websites and then Facebooked the link to her friends. eventually she had enough to get the surgery to help him.

    Kitty names:
    Ara–purina saved
    Mattie and Mr. Biggles–passed away
    Wesley–saved kitty through donations

  21. my pooer's dad says:

    15: Nevermore!

  22. jram says:

    Yesterday was a Snowe day….

  23. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    Good morning all, get well soon Steph!

    It’s raining here in LA, for the first time in four months or something.

  24. Juliet Hussein Bravo says:

    Get Joe Biden and the Owner of the Show Who is Trying to Kill Steph for the Insurance Money together, maybe they’ll cancel each other out (or put each other in a coma) :-P

  25. shāf says:

    Bipartisan = Whatever!

  26. Frankly, EFCA and Stimulus Part 2 (WPA Boogaloo) need to come after health care reform.

  27. trojanrabbit says:

    20
    Well, in Lucky’s case the blockage was cleared, but the concern is kidney damage. There were crystals in the urine, so that was probably the underlying reason for the blockage in the first place. Whether it is diet related or stress related we really don’t know, but it’s probably best to switch diet and make sure it doesn’t happen again.

  28. Juliet Hussein Bravo says:

    #4 trojanrabbit, Congrats on the job! My older male cat developed a similar urinary problem at about the same age– he needed a special diet but made to age 19.

    I scrolled through a little too quickly a mistook Shaf’s recipe at #2 as a feline UTI cure! Might work….

  29. Squatting over the hand-dryer? “Venture ingenuity, Dean-o! You gotta try this, it feels too good! It feels like somebody with a fever is yelling at my pants! This rules!”

  30. shāf says:

    #28 In both cases (cat or Stephanie) you’ll have a more relaxed kitty! ;)

  31. jram says:

    27. Sounds just like what Ara had at about 1 year old. We keep him on Urinary Tract Healthy Formula by Purina…he is 13 now.

  32. jram says:

    oh shaf…that just made me blush…

  33. Kerri, disabled, in Houston says:

    Ok, I have to say it, we’ve got a sausage-fest in the studio today! Woo-hoo! If Mamma can’t be in, love me some Hal Sparks.

  34. trojanrabbit says:

    28
    It might work with Felines. As Captain Jack would say – a little bit of brandy in the milk will make for a happy alligator…

  35. Skyhawk says:

    Morning Bloggers!

  36. my pooer's dad says:

    What the hell is this guy talking about?

  37. Skyhawk says:

    Quick note, take the time to send a thank you post card or call Sen. Snowe’s office to say thanks.

  38. Juliet Hussein Bravo says:

    Dude, renters pay real estate taxes because they are “passed through” by the landlord, and can’t even deduct them.

  39. Marx advocated collective ownership of means of production.

    The health insurance industry produces nothing. Therefore, making it public, in part or in whole, has nothing to do with Marx.

    Property taxes are passed down to the renter by the owner, dumbass-caller. And property taxes are state/local, quit whining.

  40. Juliet Hussein Bravo says:

    This guy probably has to look up “theocrat” in the dictionary…

  41. cindy in boston says:

    good morning

    good on you Hal

    what does this caller think, property taxes aren’t built into the rent people pay???

  42. my pooer's dad says:

    Caller – Even Adam Smith said the rich should pay a larger portion of taxes for the better good of society, and that governments should pay for large public service projects. So, are you saying Adam Smith was a socialist?

  43. Lucieann says:

    Good mprning folks! Sorry to hear that Stephanie is feeling well, hope she gets better soon.

  44. #40, he thinks theocrats is wantin cheezburger.

  45. jram says:

    Hal…you are on the ball today! what a start…

    i’m all hot and bothered now

  46. Lucieann says:

    oops! typo..morning

  47. Tim says:

    tell that douche that renters do pay when owners RAISE RENT to cover higher taxes.

  48. #42, Adam Smith was also strongly anti-corporate. His vision of a free market was a free market of small businesses. He considered big concerns to be a threat to a pure market.

  49. Jenna from Boston says:

    Go Hal. Go Hal. It’s your birthday. It’s your birthday.

    I think I just fell in love with Hal. Why can’t I argue with these morons who think they are morally and intellectually superior but in reality are just SO brainwashed they cannot really think for themselves.

  50. Juliet Hussein Bravo says:

    That guy was a talking point shepherd’s pie– he was just troweling on layers of Marxism, socialism and whatever that comment about “black power” was. I need a Tums.

  51. cindy in boston says:

    BTW “socialism” has always been part of this country.. the early form was called “commonweal” and 4 of the original 13 states are not, the are Commonwealths .. and it is to the concept of commonweal now called socialism that Jefferson meant when he referred to “promote the general welfare”

    that’s COMMONWEALTH

  52. cindy in boston says:

    if you need a great laugh today read this

    I Just Bought the Republican Health Plan at Piggly Wiggly

  53. #50, well that put me off of Shepherd’s Pie for today. Good thing I brought the Trader Joe’s burritos instead. Shepherd’s Pie for tomorrow.

  54. my pooer's dad says:

    48: Right. He argues against the guilds, which were essentially protectionist business groups. Today we call them business lobbies.

  55. FlaggFox says:

    Go Hal! Kick ass and chew bubblegum! What? You’re all outta gum?

  56. cindy in boston says:

    Orly Taitz was on Joy Behar yesterday
    here’s the interview
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS6yOaHa2VY

  57. trojanrabbit says:

    38
    Renters in Massachusetts can deduct a certain amount of rent from their income tax, so it seems some states understand.

  58. cindy in boston says:

    okay got to go take son to dr.

    have a nice day!

  59. #57, but that’s state income tax, not federal.

  60. jram says:

    Acne? every teenager will be denied!!

  61. trojanrabbit says:

    60
    True, but it’s better than nothing.

  62. cindy in boston says:

    Steph feel better soon

  63. Nec_V20 says:

    OK this has nothing to do with the show, but I got lucky.

    My printer gave up the ghost a couple of days ago :( (it was over nine years old, so no gripes there) and I took a look on EBAY. I found a fully kitted out HP 4050TN for £69 including shipping (that’s about $100). So even though I am an atheist it appears that someone up there likes me :)

    Yes I know it’s an old model printer but it’s a solid performer.

  64. cindy in boston says:

    jram … yes and if a fat baby can be denied … those who are overweight will soon follow

  65. cindy in boston says:

    byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

  66. jram says:

    Steph should be in here hanging out with us, with a cup of whatever was mentioned above, a box of kleenex and some cough drops…wrapped up in her fluffy, pink fleece robe….

    i’m all hot and bothered again…

  67. my pooer's dad says:

    One of my local news stations ran a segment on a food bank today. They said they serve 68,000 families in the area. I would imagine that many of these people probably also lack health care. How can the religious right say this is something Jesus would tolerate?

  68. Juliet Hussein Bravo says:

    #52 Cindy, Funny! Begging tips in the checkout line…

    #50, PeterW, Sorry! The burritos sound good, though.

  69. jram says:

    65…and that baby was strictly breastfed!! perhaps he should have been on formula…

  70. Skyhawk says:

    The lack of empathy leads to sociopathy.

  71. Short term thinking is what the Republican Party is all about.. Combine that with Greed, their Prime Objective, and you have these selfish, hateful bastards we see today..

  72. jram says:

    THANK YOU!!!

  73. Nec_V20 says:

    With regard to the health care debate, I remember when I was studying in Bonn, we used to get American students coming over to study.

    One of the first things they did was head to the optician, dentist etc. to get work done on the German healthcare system – for free (well they did have to pay a bit extra if they wanted fancy frames for their gregories). Don’t get me wrong, we never begrudged them the treatment they got – in fact we informed new students over from the States (and other third world countries) about their health rights (I was part of the students council responsible for foreign students).

  74. Jenna from Boston says:

    #52: That was funny. I love daily KOS

  75. Juliet Hussein Bravo says:

    #65 Cindy, #70 jram, The thing about the 99th percentile (breastfed) baby is that with improvements in nutrition and whatnot, kids place generally in higher than average percentiles. The standards aren’t necessarily up to date.

  76. jram says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14A1zxaHpD8

    “…most of the countries of Europe did it years ago…”
    –JFK MAY 20, *1962*

  77. Barbara in DC says:

    Hal sits in Steph’s area! Hee Hee.

    Good morning all.

  78. jram says:

    76…Don’t I know it. The rest of the world uses completely different charts…

  79. jram says:

    It’s RAmen!!

  80. Personally, I wish the earth would open up and swallow all the football stadiums. Rush, Vick, all of ‘em. They and Satan are perfect for each other.

    Why don’t I tell you what I really think.

    OK, someday I will.

    Oh, and Good Morning, Bloggoes! :mrgreen:

  81. Nec_V20 says:

    OK so my new printer is the result of Karma – or donating to the Countdown appeal?

  82. In my experience, Randian Libertarians don’t so much live in gated communities as mothers’ basements.

  83. jram says:

    the plague!

  84. Hey! I think I killed that goddam right wing “keep your hands off my healthcare” ad that has been appearing at the bottom of this page. In NoScript, I forbade googlecode.com.. Will see if I actually killed it..

  85. jram says:

    why is that down there anyway?

  86. Repubs think that we’ll read their ad, and turn into Repubs..

  87. Nec_V20 says:

    Why not just chuck out the States that leach off the Federal budget and tell them they can rejoin when they can balance their own budgets. That would get rid of a lot of the congenital idiots in the House and the Senate.

  88. 86 — somebody thought it would be a good idea & paid for it. All that proves is that people who don’t want health care reform are rich and stupid.

  89. 88 — and people think this isn’t a socialist country. We’re just stealthy, corrupt socialists. It’s all an illusion!

    I am not bitter, just aware.

  90. Skyhawk says:

    86 – More box wine money for momma.

  91. jram says:

    perhaps they just knew we aren’t that dumb and wanted us to get a look at the “anti-health care” ads out there…

    at least that’s what i hope

  92. spiffyhussein says:

    Hello. Glad to hear Rabbit’s cat is doing better. Nice to have Hal Sparks with the two Mooks today. Oh but it’s humpday. Well, that’s nothin’ special then. ;-)

  93. David in Maine says:

    Morning all. Mmmm, poor Mama, too much from the box last night?

  94. Well the root of community is the same as communism, right?

  95. Barbara in DC says:

    I don’t know what you all think, but I really like having a Media Matters guy on rightwing world. It adds more heft (plus the snark) to shooting down the rightwing talking points.

    Oh, and I love Hal on the show too. Hump Days with Hal are a highlight for me.

    Feel better Stehpie. Both my kids are sick so I feel your pain

  96. jram says:

    or…are they medicated? lobotomies require pain pills

  97. jram says:

    the leftist revolution? I wish we had that much spark…

  98. 96 — the roots of family and famine are the same too, I think…

    But not the same thing as your example. I am really on the snark juice this morning, aren’t I? Communism and community are indeed kinda the same. I think the deal is that the American obsession with individuality and self reliance is at the heart of the objection to the enforced cooperativism of Communist collectivism.

  99. #100, and the words of Christ and grit are the same, if you go back to the Indo-European.

  100. jram says:

    oops…must not be awake quite yet…”leftist washington ruining” somehow equaled “leftist revolution”…

  101. Fox News needs to be watched in the proper context. Enjoy it for its idiocy and laugh at what their propaganda effort looks like..

    It’s like watching an old Elvis Presley movie, and enjoying it for its camp. Except that Fox News is more sinister..

  102. Skyhawk says:

    Is Jim there today?

  103. Glenn, first they come for slobbering right wing idiots. You’re in trouble!

    (I’d give Glenn Beck something to cry about..)

  104. jram says:

    except textbooks from texas

  105. my pooer's dad says:

    Glen – You’ve missed the point on just about everything about history you talk about – Idiot.

  106. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    Wow, Faux News comparing themselves to the victims of Nazism?

  107. 110 — they are totally victims of Naziism. If you know what I mean…

  108. jram says:

    brain hurt terrible bad….

  109. Red hats in churches? Why would they need to run Linux?

  110. No, there shouldn’t. We should take care of the idiots right along with everybody else. Delusion is just another treatable condition, and we should be compassionate, even towards those who are incapable of reciprocating.

  111. jram says:

    they should get rid of their gov. run health care first and then tattoo “keep your filthy government hands off me” next to a picture of reagan on their buttocks

  112. Skyhawk says:

    Objectivism is like Scientology. Another narcissistic cult.

  113. jram says:

    MSNBC just notified me that a lock of MJ’s hair will be auctioned off…start saving up…

  114. 118 — ick.

    But it makes me think of the Pepsi commercial.

    So, again, ick.

  115. Skyhawk says:

    scant or skank?

  116. jram says:

    s..c..a..n..t

    just in case you missed it

  117. #116, at least Scientology has the 20th century sci-fi going for it. (And Mormonism has the 19th century sci-fi thing going on).

    Randianism just fetishizes a woman who fetishized a child kidnapper/killer/mutilator.

  118. my pooer's dad says:

    Thanks for spelling it for us, Bill.

  119. jram says:

    119 … that’s who is auctioning it off…the exec producer from that commercial…

  120. Nec_V20 says:

    It’s a little known fact that Republicans learn about sex by the process of trial and error. In fact it would be appear that Senator Ensign will probably be going on trial for his error soon.

    That having been said an ode to Republican reproduction:

    The sexual life of the camel
    Is stranger than anyone thinks
    For at the height of the mating season
    He likes to bugger the Sphinx
    But the Sphinx’s posterior sphincter
    Is clogged by the sands of the Nile
    Which explains the hump on the camel
    And the Sphinx’s inscrutable smile.

  121. #117, well apparently they are not men.

  122. #125, we all learn about sex through trial and error.

    Only in the case of Republicans, they mean the kind associated with courts.

  123. 124 — no way. really? There are no words — ick doesn’t even begin to cover it, then. freakin’ cannibals.

  124. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    #106: “Glenn, first they come for slobbering right wing idiots. You’re in trouble!”

    They’re coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!
    They’re coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa
    To the funny farm. Where life is beautiful all the time and I’ll be
    happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they’re
    coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!!!!

  125. my pooer's dad says:

    125: Teacher: “Who first suggested asexual reproduction?”
    Matthew Broderick: “Your wife.”

  126. jram says:

    off to work…

    get better soon steph!!!

    keep it going hal!!!

  127. spiffyhussein says:

    Community is when you are allowed to voluntarily help or ignore your neighbors.

    Communism is when you are forced to help them, right?

    (I’m talking like the Right this a.m.)

  128. spiffyhussein says:

    133—The problem with relying on the community is, what happens to those neighbors who are ignored?

    We all know what happens to them—they become homeless, jobless and penniless. Plus they get no health care.

  129. spiffyhussein says:

    I’ve heard the DOW is just being manipulated by those who control it.

  130. Amy Outside of DC says:

    No more losing Honda plants to Canada just because they have state health care. Yay.

  131. 135 — I agree with that, at least to an extent. I can think of at least one example of a manipulated mini-crash, and I’m sure there have been others. I think it’s like the weather, you can cause stuff to happen sometimes, but not all the time, and only under certain conditions.

  132. my pooer's dad says:

    It’s already happened. We lost a Toyota plant to Canada, due to healthcare. Alabamba, one of the lowest cost labor states, lost out.

  133. my pooer's dad says:

    136: Or perhaps a Honda plant. I know it wasn’t a Datsun plant.

  134. Amy Outside of DC says:

    Indianapolis is a nice side. Their bad neighborhood is so not intimidating.

  135. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    This one time … at Oktoberfest…

  136. Amy Outside of DC says:

    So the caller’s point is if you’re going to get hurt, do it in a country with socialized medicine.

  137. mary get me the hell out of Arizona! says:

    Get well Stephie! I just had the creeping crud and it was no fun…

  138. 142 — or more precisely — you should try to be in a country with UHC at all times, just in case.

  139. my pooer's dad says:

    142: And good beer.

  140. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    #142: Rule 1: Don’t get sick (unless you’re visiting Europe or Canada).

  141. no Momma… Hal’s OK, holding down the fort

    Aren’t DEVO not atheists, but Church of SubGenius?

  142. Oily Taintz… fined $20,000 by The Judge… her reply? “Fuck ‘Em!”

  143. 148 — You think Church of the Sub-genius is not a bunch of snarky atheists who are actually protesting the notion of organized religion?

    Hiya, Mark!

  144. spiffyhussein says:

    137—I think that was part of the reason Paulson and Bush allowed/ hastened the death of Lehman Bros. More control over the market now by the survivor, Goldman-Sachs.

    Geez I hate Wall St. bankers.

  145. Like the bass harmonica the harmonicats used to have. Anybody remember the Harmonicats?

  146. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    Assault with delayed action guitar!

  147. #150, all the subgenii I know are.

  148. Ron "McLovin" Luce says:

    Christianity was certainly a Jewish sect … 2000 years ago!

    I think it has evolved a little since then.

  149. Amy Outside of DC says:

    #150 I think the Church’s goal is to bring back pipe smoke. That’s why JR “Bob” Dobbs is always smoking a pipe.

  150. Please be advised: There will be no Sparta™ today. Thank you, that is all.

  151. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    First they came for Glenn Beck, and I did nothing because I was not a psychopath. Next they came for Tom Cruise, and again……

  152. Joy Behar should not have given the Oily Taint any time.
    What a waste. Keep trash talkin’ Oily… Go To Jail you foole.

  153. scooter says:

    Bob Dylan converted to Christianity in the late 70’s and has already recorded two [admittedly obscure] gospel albums. His song “Everybody’s Gotta Serve Somebody” [or whatever the offical title] is about choosing to follow Christ. Can’t believe Hal and the Mooks didn’t know this fact!

  154. 161 — Slow Train Coming, whatever your feelings about Christianity, is a brilliant album — one of Dylan’s best, IMO.

  155. Ron "McLovin" Luce says:

    PJ Squeezy,

    He. He. I was trying to think of a similar joke but with no luck!

    Fox are such babies.

    How many times did the Bush administration go ONLY on Fox?

  156. New Chernobyl Brand [TM] yogurt
    the Only yogurt that comes in the bottom of a
    lead lined tube — where it’s safe!
    You can eat it on the go, you can eat it on
    the run… the Dead Run.
    Be the first on your block to be the last on your block!
    Ask for it by name!

  157. scooter says:

    The Dow is at 9977. RW MFers on CNBC are trying to explain away Obama’s influence.

  158. Ron "McLovin" Luce says:

    madduane sez,

    I think the critics agree with you. When Dylan went through is “born again” phase, people had so much trouble with it that many didn’t recognize how it was also a very creative time for him.

    “Shot of Love” is also one of Dylan’s great songs even if the whole album was less-than-great.

  159. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    #151: America: love the trainwreck; hate the train.

  160. 149 Hey Madduane! Ch O’SubGenius? atheists mocking religion?
    well, yeah. But I still like them. I was just watching the
    video Let’s Visit The World Of The Future, awailable on the youtubes.

    Very Disturbing… but Fun! “Units For Eunuchs”

  161. 168 Feels like the Rethugs pulled a train on America

  162. Ron "McLovin" Luce says:

    The conclusion of conservative America is Pakistan.

    A small handful of billionares and the rest working for the free-market minimum wage (between $1 and $2 a day)

  163. Juliet Hussein Bravo says:

    Hippy Elf Chicks for Hal!

  164. Ron "McLovin" Luce says:

    I’m a little with Hal and the costume thing – it’s not a hugely secual thing with me either.

    Santa costumes, Elf costumes, devil costumes.. especially. So cute.

  165. Ron "McLovin" Luce says:

    Does Chris hate Shakespeare too?

  166. shāf says:

    Use of swords and sabers would certainly make conceal-carry a moot issue. How could you conceal it?

  167. Don’t tempt me, Hal.

    I’ve walked the streets of Alexandria, VA with a claymore at my hip and a dirk at my front (and a flintlock pistol on a shoulder strap).

  168. shāf says:

    Oh, I’m back from my meeting. Yay!

  169. Juliet Hussein Bravo says:

    What about Brad Pitt brandishing a sword as Achilles in “Troy”? Or (dare I utter it before post #200) King Leonidas in our beloved SPARTA? Say it ain’t so, Chris!

  170. 171 that is the Rethug Vision for Ahmerica.

    Stephie in her elf costume… the Liquor Barn wouldn’t sell to her…
    had to send Max in the store

  171. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    #171: Oh, and a powerful military that overthrows the elected government on a regular basis, but still can’t take full control over parts of its own territory that are ruled by warlords and terrorists?

  172. Most broadsword-fighting is drawcut. Bleed ‘em out.

    Chopping is for teh movies.

  173. shāf says:

    And why are we having this discussion?

  174. Skyhawk says:

    183- It started when a caller asked if Hal could come to Dragon Con.
    http://dragoncon.org/

  175. Ron "McLovin" Luce says:

    I suspect that Conspiracy Theory is religion.

    I don’t mean in blind devotion — I mean that it allows people to give order and meaning to the random and unknown.

  176. #186, it also ties into evolution. There’s a much smaller cost to an individual making a connection that isn’t there (that rustle in the grass is a predator! OMG! Oh never mind.), than failing to make a connection that is (that rustle is nothing. AAARGH! – nom nom nom). So our brains are programmed to see things that may not be there.

  177. shāf says:

    #185 Ah, I get it. And they blame us on the Live Blog for going off on tangents! ;)

  178. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    #155: “Christianity was certainly a Jewish sect … 2000 years ago!

    I think it has evolved a little since then.”

    I don’t know about that – some of them don’t believe in evolution.

  179. #189, Christianity was more of a variant of Mithraism among Hellenized Jews than a Jewish sect per se.

  180. Ron "McLovin" Luce says:

    PeterW,

    Exactly. And I don’t mean it in a critical way… I, myself, am quite religious.

    Most humans strive for meaning and order in life and, absent of religion, the tend towards conspiracy theories, UFOs, paranormal, etc.

    I totally get that… and don’t judge it. But, it would probably be helpful to recognize that conspiracy theory is as “true” as any other faith-based system of thinking.

  181. Looks like Schumer is going to abolish the Health Insurance Industry anti-trust exemption in an amendment in the Judiciary Committee. He’s confident it will make it into the final bill.

    w00t!

  182. Ron "McLovin" Luce says:

    PeterW,

    “Mithraism” wow! Sounds vaguely familiar — I’ll have to Google it.

    The more commonly-cited Hellenistic influences on Christianity are Stoicism and Platonism. I think it is hard to argue against that.

  183. Ron "McLovin" Luce says:

    PeterW,

    I Googled “Mithraism” — aka Mystery Religion. That’s how I learned it somewhere. Yeah, that surely was an influence on Christianity, too.

  184. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    #152: The Harmonicats? Thanks for bringing them up. I’m pretty sure I saw them years ago in a tiny club and they were amazing. Never did catch the name though!

    http://www.harmonicats.net

  185. Ron "McLovin" Luce says:

    Could we have saved ourselves a lot of grief by calling this “insurance reform” rather than “health care reform”? Who gets as worked up about insurance?

    The conservatives sure are better at framing the debate than we are.

  186. #193, Mithra was a spin-off of Zoroastrianism. Mithra was an immaculately conceived divinity-made-human, born near the winter solstice, a universal savior, died and was resurrected. His symbols were similar to the cross and the chi-rho. And his cult was very popular in late Rome, and – interestingly – in Tarsus (home of Paul).

    The church fathers found the religion sufficiently similar that they felt the need to explain it away. Their apologetics had The Devil anticipating Christianity and thus creating a competing religion that was older than it to make it look more credible.

  187. shāf says:

    Awww, hugs and catnip to Sassy Ward. :)

  188. trojanrabbit says:

    Yay, kitty is on his way home. Never thought I’d be happy to say my cat peed.

  189. shāf says:

    Thanks to Shane-O for putting up the Ed Show video so quickly!

  190. Skyhawk says:

    And momma will have a front row seat.

  191. Ron "McLovin" Luce says:

    I don’t think I want to hear Hal do a “blue” act. I so like his PG version on the radio.

  192. shāf says:

    #199 Great news, Paul. No Sparta for us to day. But, at least you have Lucky back.

  193. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    Hal has stood-up dates on his page?

  194. Ron "McLovin" Luce says:

    PeterW,

    Interesting stuff. I find that kind of thing so fascinating. Thanks!

    I gotta get off to my under-employment. Bye eMooks.

  195. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    #200: I wonder if Ed is off sick today.

  196. trojanrabbit says:

    200
    Yeah, it was up minutes after the show was done.

  197. shāf says:

    #206 Not if Wendy has anything to say about it! ;)

  198. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    Bye all, have a day!

    Rebekah, enjoy the RW stingers!

    Later?

  199. shāf says:

    Have a great rest of the day, everyone!

  200. my pooer's dad says:

    bye hal, mooks and bloggoes.

  201. Juliet Hussein Bravo says:

    Great point, Hal, that’s what I thought about “mandating” health insurance. If you can’t afford car insurance, you can’t drive a car. If you can’t afford health insurance, do they repo your body?? :evil:

    Bye, gang, have a great day!

  202. Tony says:

    Hey, guys…I’ve been listening, not blogging. Hope you have a great day!