Comments on: LiveBlog for Wednesday, September 30, 2009 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/ Number #1 Radio Progressive Morning Show / Monday - Friday 9AM-12PM ET Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:59:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: PeterW the Robobagpiper http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187838 PeterW the Robobagpiper Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:15:52 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187838 #338, you too, have a good one! #338, you too, have a good one!

]]> By: my pooer's dad http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187837 my pooer's dad Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:03:23 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187837 330: Good point, I'll think on it. 330: Good point, I’ll think on it.

]]> By: my pooer's dad http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187836 my pooer's dad Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:02:22 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187836 Bye PeterW - Love you man! Bye PeterW – Love you man!

]]> By: madduane sez you can't fool the children of the revolution® http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187835 madduane sez you can't fool the children of the revolution® Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:00:33 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187835 I feel loved! 8) ♥ Have a great day, I'll see yas again soon! Buh Bye, Bloggoes!!! :mrgreen: I feel loved! 8) ♥

Have a great day, I’ll see yas again soon!

Buh Bye, Bloggoes!!! :mrgreen:

]]> By: Juliet Hussein Bravo http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187834 Juliet Hussein Bravo Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:59:09 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187834 Bye, gang! Bye, gang!

]]> By: k to the g http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187833 k to the g Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:59:01 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187833 Bye everyone! Gotta check out that R Crumb film. Thanks all! Bye everyone! Gotta check out that R Crumb film. Thanks all!

]]> By: Ivan Louise Hussain Biggin http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187832 Ivan Louise Hussain Biggin Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:58:31 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187832 The Repubs pretty well crapped their nest on privatizing SS, thanks to illustrious GW and Company (tm) and their massively greedy attempts to pull it off. And if there is any good thing which was a product of the big stock market hit, it might be a further unlikelihood of privatized SS.. Buh bye, Bloggonists! Hasta manana, bananas! The Repubs pretty well crapped their nest on privatizing SS, thanks to illustrious GW and Company ™ and their massively greedy attempts to pull it off. And if there is any good thing which was a product of the big stock market hit, it might be a further unlikelihood of privatized SS..

Buh bye, Bloggonists!

Hasta manana, bananas!

]]> By: ArrestRovePlease http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187831 ArrestRovePlease Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:58:03 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187831 Sorry I meant #323 (Limbaugh in speedo - gasp!) Sorry I meant #323 (Limbaugh in speedo – gasp!)

]]> By: Skyhawk http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187830 Skyhawk Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:57:58 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187830 Bye all! Bye all!

]]> By: PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187829 PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:57:42 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187829 Bye all... Bye all…

]]> By: PeterW the Robobagpiper http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187828 PeterW the Robobagpiper Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:57:30 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187828 #318, but you're ignoring the law of unintended consequences, and the long view. Once you dilute SS by paying for other programs explicitly on its back, at what point does it simply become another gubmint program to be cut or funding allocations reshuffled at will? Right now, SS takes money in, it pays money out, and any surplus is stored in Treasuries, any deficit paid for by redeeming Treasuries. It is perfect in its simplicity and honesty. It is of workers, for workers. The investment class contributes nothing to it, it gets nothing from it. Once you violate that covenant, who's to say that some future Republican administration and Congress won't just, say, divert FICA revenues to the DoD? It's just another general revenue stream at that point, after all. #318, but you’re ignoring the law of unintended consequences, and the long view. Once you dilute SS by paying for other programs explicitly on its back, at what point does it simply become another gubmint program to be cut or funding allocations reshuffled at will?

Right now, SS takes money in, it pays money out, and any surplus is stored in Treasuries, any deficit paid for by redeeming Treasuries. It is perfect in its simplicity and honesty. It is of workers, for workers. The investment class contributes nothing to it, it gets nothing from it.

Once you violate that covenant, who’s to say that some future Republican administration and Congress won’t just, say, divert FICA revenues to the DoD? It’s just another general revenue stream at that point, after all.

]]> By: ArrestRovePlease http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187827 ArrestRovePlease Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:57:10 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187827 #320 Now I have to get that image out of my mind. Sure it is b.s. but it is widely watched and promotes itself as somehow "American," so I am suggesting we call them on having invited a judge who wants the president to fail. It's called invading their territory. #320 Now I have to get that image out of my mind. Sure it is b.s. but it is widely watched and promotes itself as somehow “American,” so I am suggesting we call them on having invited a judge who wants the president to fail. It’s called invading their territory.

]]> By: scooter http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187826 scooter Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:56:48 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187826 From what I understand, our Prez will only be on the ground in Denmark for 3 hours. Heckuva European vacation for the staff! From what I understand, our Prez will only be on the ground in Denmark for 3 hours. Heckuva European vacation for the staff!

]]> By: k to the g http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187825 k to the g Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:55:37 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187825 Hey, we like our presidents stupid and lazy like us :-P Hey, we like our presidents stupid and lazy like us :-P

]]> By: Ivan Louise Hussain Biggin http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187824 Ivan Louise Hussain Biggin Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:55:35 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187824 Steph and Hal - cougar attacks wolf Steph and Hal – cougar attacks wolf

]]> By: Skyhawk http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187823 Skyhawk Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:55:31 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187823 I personally would've liked Michelle to make the pitch, but I have no problem with Barack doing so. I personally would’ve liked Michelle to make the pitch, but I have no problem with Barack doing so.

]]> By: my pooer's dad http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187822 my pooer's dad Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:55:04 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187822 317: Trust me. I do believe we need to protect SS, as the RWs have shown as much disdain for it as medicare. If it weren't for the stock market crashing, they'd probably still be pushing for privatizing a portion of it, which I totally oppose. BTW - I'm trying to address the "How do we pay for it crowd." Personally, changes in captial gains would be more palatable to me than changes to FICA, etc. 317: Trust me. I do believe we need to protect SS, as the RWs have shown as much disdain for it as medicare. If it weren’t for the stock market crashing, they’d probably still be pushing for privatizing a portion of it, which I totally oppose. BTW – I’m trying to address the “How do we pay for it crowd.” Personally, changes in captial gains would be more palatable to me than changes to FICA, etc.

]]> By: Ivan Louise Hussain Biggin http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187821 Ivan Louise Hussain Biggin Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:54:30 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187821 320: let's ask them to have Rush Limbaugh in a swim suit.. The Miss America Pageant is such bullshit anyway. 320: let’s ask them to have Rush Limbaugh in a swim suit..

The Miss America Pageant is such bullshit anyway.

]]> By: madduane sez you can't fool the children of the revolution® http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187820 madduane sez you can't fool the children of the revolution® Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:53:03 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187820 320 -- aww, he'll just vote for whoever reminds him most of a young Dominican boy. 320 — aww, he’ll just vote for whoever reminds him most of a young Dominican boy.

]]> By: k to the g http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187819 k to the g Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:52:35 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187819 Hal and Mama are hot together. Either there's going to be a birthday present soon or Steph is going to spin like crazy at the gym. Just sayin. Hal and Mama are hot together. Either there’s going to be a birthday present soon or Steph is going to spin like crazy at the gym. Just sayin.

]]> By: ArrestRovePlease http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187818 ArrestRovePlease Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:51:45 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187818 Hey everyone, the Miss America Pageant has invited Rush Limbaugh to be a judge. Might I suggest emails to them at info@MissAmerica.org to suggest that is a very un-American kind of person to have appear (never mind the piggy nature of the pageant). Hey everyone, the Miss America Pageant has invited Rush Limbaugh to be a judge. Might I suggest emails to them at info@MissAmerica.org to suggest that is a very un-American kind of person to have appear (never mind the piggy nature of the pageant).

]]> By: Ivan Louise Hussain Biggin http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187817 Ivan Louise Hussain Biggin Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:51:09 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187817 The simple fact about Repubs is that when a buck is involved, they favor the buck. The simple fact about Repubs is that when a buck is involved, they favor the buck.

]]> By: my pooer's dad http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187816 my pooer's dad Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:49:57 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187816 293: Somtimes a paradigm shift is needed in order to make sea changes. I think a pragmatic approach is necessary here to affect change. Arguing for such a high increase in income tax just won't fly. Modifying the existing methods of allocating funds from FICA/OASDI and the capital gains tax are such a paradigm shift. But, I think they are changes the public would support. I have heard other respected people, such as George Soros, support such plans. I don't think it is either dishonest, or cowardly, just more pragmatic. 293: Somtimes a paradigm shift is needed in order to make sea changes. I think a pragmatic approach is necessary here to affect change. Arguing for such a high increase in income tax just won’t fly. Modifying the existing methods of allocating funds from FICA/OASDI and the capital gains tax are such a paradigm shift. But, I think they are changes the public would support. I have heard other respected people, such as George Soros, support such plans. I don’t think it is either dishonest, or cowardly, just more pragmatic.

]]> By: PeterW the Robobagpiper http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187815 PeterW the Robobagpiper Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:48:49 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187815 #278, it comes down to this: Does one consider OASDI to be a regressive component of the tax code, or a wage insurance premium separate entirely from general revenue streams? I clearly (and vehemently) consider it the latter. I'm with you on taxing high-income earners. I'm with you on the amount. I'm totally against you on how to do it. Maybe it's semantics, but IMO all the talk about "fixing SS by removing the cap" and other such promist twiddling on our side has fed every bit as much into the false meme that SS won't be around for us as Republican shenanigans. #278, it comes down to this:

Does one consider OASDI to be a regressive component of the tax code, or a wage insurance premium separate entirely from general revenue streams?

I clearly (and vehemently) consider it the latter.

I’m with you on taxing high-income earners. I’m with you on the amount. I’m totally against you on how to do it. Maybe it’s semantics, but IMO all the talk about “fixing SS by removing the cap” and other such promist twiddling on our side has fed every bit as much into the false meme that SS won’t be around for us as Republican shenanigans.

]]> By: Ivan Louise Hussain Biggin http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187814 Ivan Louise Hussain Biggin Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:48:06 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187814 The documentary on Robert Crumb was quite good.. I think his whole family was screwed up, because of his father. His brother eventually committed suicide, as I recall. And the part with the cartoonist losing his mind and finally drawing volumes of balloons with quotes (or was it apostrophes) was downright chilling. Interesting texturing as well. The documentary on Robert Crumb was quite good.. I think his whole family was screwed up, because of his father. His brother eventually committed suicide, as I recall.

And the part with the cartoonist losing his mind and finally drawing volumes of balloons with quotes (or was it apostrophes) was downright chilling.

Interesting texturing as well.

]]> By: madduane sez you can't fool the children of the revolution® http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187813 madduane sez you can't fool the children of the revolution® Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:47:35 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187813 Thanky, Ivan! Thanky, Ivan!

]]> By: madduane sez you can't fool the children of the revolution® http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187812 madduane sez you can't fool the children of the revolution® Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:45:49 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187812 I Keep hearing that "coffee" sound effect in that commercial on the liveblog as a bong hit. I Keep hearing that “coffee” sound effect in that commercial on the liveblog as a bong hit.

]]> By: Ivan Louise Hussain Biggin http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187811 Ivan Louise Hussain Biggin Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:45:01 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187811 Yii.. stop to do the sudoku and you guys sparta'd.. Congrats Duana, I yield to thee, and reveal my Inner Self (tm) Yii.. stop to do the sudoku and you guys sparta’d..

Congrats Duana, I yield to thee, and reveal my Inner Self ™

]]> By: madduane sez you can't fool the children of the revolution® http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187810 madduane sez you can't fool the children of the revolution® Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:44:52 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187810 311 -- Yeah, I did see that. It was awesome. 311 — Yeah, I did see that. It was awesome.

]]> By: Skyhawk http://www.stephaniemiller.com/2009/09/30/liveblog-for-wednesday-september-30-2009/#comment-187809 Skyhawk Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:44:12 +0000 http://www.stephaniemiller.com/?p=1662#comment-187809 309 - Love that Crumb. Did you see the documentary on him? 309 – Love that Crumb. Did you see the documentary on him?

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