Stephanie Miller

LiveBlog for Tuesday, August 25, 2009

robbins• Actor and activist Tim Robbins calls in at 7:05am to talk about the upcoming international tour of his play, “The Trial of the Catonsville Nine,” and about the news of the day.

ellisonRep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) calls in at 8:30am Pacific to talk about the importance of passing meaningful health care reform.

President Obama is expected to nominate Ben Bernanke to a second term as head of the Federal Reserve today. Bernanke, a Republican who has played a central role in the government’s extraordinary response to the recession and 2008 banking panic, will have to be confirmed by the Senate.

The Obama administration launched a criminal investigation yesterday into harsh questioning of detainees during President Bush’s war on terrorism, revealing CIA interrogators’ threats to kill one suspect’s children and to force another to watch his mother sexually assaulted.

• The Los Angeles County coroner’s finding that the death of Michael Jackson was a homicide could mean criminal charges for his doctor, who told investigators that he administered a mix of powerful drugs to treat the pop star’s insomnia hours before his death.

• President Obama played tennis with his wife and golf with his buddies yesterday, starting his first vacation in office on Martha’s Vineyard of the coast of Massachusetts.

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202 Responses to “LiveBlog for Tuesday, August 25, 2009”

  1. trojanrabbit says:

    Goood morning all!

    The birfers are at it again, but they’re sinking to new depths. You know, only REAL AMERICANS are circumcised, not Kenyans.

    http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4594539

    What the hell is it with Republicans?

  2. shāf says:

    #1 It must be something in the water (or air), teh stoopid seems to spreading.

    I can’t stay long, I have a morning meeting that will take up most of the show. I’ll rely on my Stephcast this afternoon to get caught up.

    So, what’s the GOP’s latest salvo in the health care debate? They want to ‘protect’ Medicare benefits to seniors (including end-of-life care) from Obama’s ‘rationing’. This marks a departure from a party that once called Medicare ‘Socialized Medicine’. Ronald Reagan proposed cutting $1 billion in Medicare spending while president in 1981, when the program cost just $40 billion a year.

    Details:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125112553661853921.html

    That’s right, the righties are trying to scare seniors (yet again).

  3. shāf says:

    Great op-ed in today’s Washington Post from Eugene Robinson:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/24/AR2009082402470.html

    Excerpt:

    History’s demands can seem inconvenient, unfair or unreasonable. But they can’t be ignored. The Obama administration has a legal and moral duty to determine whether crimes were committed in the Bush-era detention and interrogation of “war on terror” prisoners — and, if so, to prosecute those responsible. [...]

    I’m under no illusion that George W. Bush or Dick Cheney is actually going to be prosecuted by the Justice Department. But I want to know — and I believe the nation needs to know — the full, unvarnished truth of what they and others did in our name. It’s probable that painful scrutiny and lasting disgrace will be the only sanctions that Bush and Cheney ever face. But history demands at least that much.

  4. flombaye says:

    circumcision is only a trendy tribal identity motif to indicate alliance with moshe. – TR asks what is it with republicans. – simple: at the moment of circumcision, they threw away the wrong portion of disjoined protoplasm. what was left is known as a “schmuck”. – - – convenient example: yesterday (2009 august 24) ann coulter was on the radio attempting to ridicule the shift in the war on anxiety, out of iraq “where we were winning”, into afghanistan “where we are losing”. – and indeed, there may have been some footing for a discussion, were the administration participating per se in the war on anxiety. – unfortunately for coulter’s premise, the current administration is generally populated by life forms sufficiently developed to distinguish between inner turmoil and tropospheric events. this simple shift in condition renders coulter’s personal anxiety irrelevant. – indeed, that very evening, i had the fortune of also catching an extensive report about western soldiers in afghanistan. – in contrast to coulter’s presumption (that “we” are losing), it seems that there is a very concerted effort at applying the lessons already re-learned thru the U.S.-financed occupation of vietnam. – better late than never ? yes. is 40 years enuff of a learning curve for everybody ? – as coulter reminds us, not for everybody. – so there’s your answer, TR. – the case of ann coulter is anecdotal but exemplary; what it often is with repugnicans, is that the wrong portion was thwrown away after circumcision.

  5. trojanrabbit says:

    Say, why not become a schmuck? A licensed, practicing schmuck. Or, if you qualify, a CPS. That’s right. A certified public schmuck. Y’know, it may not seem like it when you look around, but there is a shortage of schmucks in today’s society. And there’s big money in schmuckdom. The average schmuck today earns over thirty-four thousand dollars a year. And there are openings for schmucks in virtually every field. The government is run by schmucks. Big business is run by schmucks. And more and more, people are becoming schmucks on their own. Y’know, some guys can only manage to be schmucks on New Year’s Eve, but here’s your opportunity to become a full time, year round schmuck. Give us a call. Don’t be a schmuck! Be a SCHMUCK! – G. Carlin

  6. Skyhawk says:

    Morning guys. The righties are pretty much a bunch of nihilists.

  7. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    Good morning bloggers!

    ProducerChris, will Tim Robbins be calling in at 7:05am in my time zone too? ;-)

  8. flombaye says:

    5/6: schmuck and nihilist merger perhaps – now there’s a dangerous com-bonation. “i still want you to touch my monkey, lebowski !!”

  9. flombaye says:

    7: just having tim “the enchanter” robbins in the global village is incogneato. i know this is the actor, not the writer, but give him a chance. it’s amazing what he can do without even using flint or tinder.

  10. Carol Hussein in Central Mass says:

    mornin’ fellow bloggers,
    I’m holding my fire on health care insurance reform until after the presidential vacation, at which time I expect him to arrange for a “talk to the nation”. Until then, I’m not listening to details; it hurts my head.

  11. Skyhawk says:

    8. Would that make them Schils? A variation of the spelling shill.

  12. flombaye says:

    10: but that’s precisely why you should listen to the details. i read the entire bill this morning, and i recall that pages 1537 thru 1590 contained several contigengencies regarding copays for testing and monitoring of cephaloalgesia. – good moaning !

  13. Skyhawk says:

    Allen Boyd (who has a shade of blue dog in him)will have a town hall tonight in my neck of the woods. I’m may go just to see the freak show.

  14. flombaye says:

    11: i got to wondering whether that particular combination is what gave us the “schlmiel”, but i’m no scholar of yiddish linguistic history. – and schmendrickologists out there ?

  15. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    #12: the phrase “1537 thru 1590″ made me think of some festering corner of the AM dial.

  16. flombaye says:

    15: do you get the hilarious antics of “fester and haggis in the morning” in your location ?

  17. Good morning, fine BlogginMooksters. Now that I know why Republicans are (literally) smucks, I feel better.

  18. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    #16: I can only dream of such a thing! There’s not even an all-news station here in my vacation location.

  19. flombaye says:

    17: sounds like the war on anxiety is working after all. – do they have a code purple for when prince invades your town ?

  20. Carol Hussein in Central Mass says:

    I listened to Ian Punnet’s interview with a guy who wrote about The Family.
    http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Heart-American/dp/0060560053/ctoc

    The Family is the group who runs the C Street House…very creepy, very NOT Christian. Hope their time is up. Very imbedded around the world.

  21. flombaye says:

    tim robbins got this ball rolling. – for there are those who call him ………………… TIMMM ……………………….. and so i was perusing some news updates about catching withes, thus, was able to discover this:
    SPOONS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOnf-g_VaYw&feature=PlayList&p=934C3F6700EED639&index=74

  22. Carol Hussein in Central Mass says:

    “The Family teaches Washington lawmakers that people chosen for leadership are above morality.”

  23. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    And speaking of broadcasters, I finally went and traded in my coupons for two digital TV converter boxes. Damn government, putting a middleman between my TV and antenna …

  24. flombaye says:

    22: the greatest trick satan ever pulled was teaching werner erhardt how to N’EST. – imagine how many copyright infringement lawsuits hubbard could have had going by now, if he hadnt invested so many billions in space exploration. – got to give it to him thoe; that is one groovy telescope.

  25. MGBYG says:

    Tim Robbins? Tim? C’mon Tom Robbins has more humour in his femer…

  26. Skyhawk says:

    Miller time!

  27. Carol Hussein in Central Mass says:

    enjoy the show!

  28. Rocky Mountain High, Colorado says:

    Mornin!

  29. Bill-O was a man.. a BIG man!

  30. jram says:

    the world is trying to kill me!!

  31. Skyhawk says:

    All you have to do is watch “24″ for our torture policy.

  32. Hi Again All!!!!!! Back from my Too-Much-Damn-Work Hiatus. Hope to be around for a bit today. How you all doing??

  33. Tom Delay is made from wax and plastic..

  34. carein2205 says:

    I’ll keep trying…good morning all.

  35. Carol Hussein in Central Mass says:

    Nude Pole Dancing In New York Subway (VIDEO)

    Is this Mama!?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/22/nude-pole-dancing-in-new_n_266014.html

  36. flombaye says:

    angelina and the architect starring uma thurman and pat morita…. “oh, no, for 37 million dollars, i should have known there would be a chink”

  37. CA glue was used in Vietnam to glue wounds shut, and medical grade CA is available..

  38. Morning, blogospherians.

  39. Skyhawk says:

    37 – Don’t think so, momma would’ve taken a tips with a wine box. ;)

  40. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    #38: Hah! Indirect Tom Robbins reference! (re. #25)

  41. MGBYG says:

    #42… I always thought Jim was a lot like Pan in Jitterbug Perfume!

  42. Dammit, Steff, why do you keep giving this nazi a platform?

  43. btw — hiya, Bloggoes! :mrgreen:

    Just a drive-by this morning.

  44. Skyhawk says:

    Doggie’s nickname 4H.

  45. liveblog dead today. me not gonna help, either.

    boxes boxes boxes.

    Buh Bye, Bloggoes! :mrgreen:

  46. Dammit, they’re making me work!

  47. #48 Dontcha HATE that???? Happened to me last week. The NERVE of those people!!!

  48. Quick Sparta Match Check: 50 Posts in 50 Minutes = NO Sparta. Let’s GOOOOOO!!!!!

  49. Republican vs Democrat jokes.. tell me I won.

    My very good Republican friend emailed me this one:

    A teacher asked her 6th grade class how many of them were Obama fans. Not really knowing what an Obama fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids raised their hands except for Little Johnny..

    The teacher asked Little Johnny why he has decided to be different…again.

    Little Johnny said, ‘Because I’m not an Obama fan.’

    The teacher asked, ‘Why aren’t you an Obama fan?’

    Johnny said, ‘Because I’m a Republican.’

    The teacher asked him why he’s a Republican.

    Little Johnny answered, ‘Well, my Mom’s a Republican and my Dad’s a Republican, so I’m a Republican.’

    Annoyed by this answer, the teacher asked, ‘If your mom was a moron and your dad was an idiot, what would that make you?’

    With a big smile, Little Johnny replied, ‘An Obama fan.”

    =========================

    I responded with this one:

    Three surgeons were discussing their work.

    The first one said he liked doing surgery on thin people, because there was no fat to deal with, the organs were all easily accessible.

    The second one disagreed and said he preferred working on fat people, because the fat kept him from accidentally cutting into organs, and cushioned the work.

    The third one said he preferred old white Republican men. When asked why, he said, “Well, their anatomy is simple. Only an asshole and a mouth, and those are interchangeable.”

  50. Michelle aka boofdah says:

    The healthcare history/education point was very good, but forgot to mention that, in addition to fears about “communism” and the Red Scare, the conservatives stirred up objection to universal healthcare during the Truman AND LBJ years because “Black people would share the same hospitals as White people”–oh noes, the racial aspect again.

    Of course, as we all know, those racial fears are the undercurrent of what motivates the “teabaggers” who are against “welfare queens” (code for “black unmarried women on welfare”) and “lazy nonworking people” (code for “lazy Black people”). All goes back to race.

  51. Jeez, it is dead. It’s almost like Friday around here.

    It’s not Friday, is it? I didn’t miss a memo on that, did I?

  52. Hey all, I’m late, I know, I have no note, I’m unshaved and barely
    awake

    we desperately need death panels for the likes of Chuck GrASSley…

  53. Wow, Momma! Slutty Flight Attendant outfit this morning! Me likee…

  54. #47 Madduane: We got Hat on Backward Steele! We got Anthony Wiener (not the other Wiener!) laying the beatdown today on Faux and Zombies! Hold on! Hold on Madduane! Stuff is coming!

  55. 52 it’s invasion of the body snatchers all over again. Obama is
    gonna grow a new grandma in a pod and replace your gran-gran while
    she sleeps… except she’ll be a NEGRO!

  56. Fine people, I hate to wuss out so soon, but I have a doctor appt.

    I’ll see you tomorrow, buh bye all, don’t you ever change a thing!

    L.

  57. Good morning, livebloggers!

  58. The insane Right bleats it’s crap about Obama being a Nazi all
    the time now, even as they continue to protest that their boy
    Bushie was called a Nazi.
    The difference is, Bush IS a Nazi
    - war of agression: check
    - police state: check
    - torture: check
    - propaganda and lies: check
    - evil cronies: check
    - stupid little dance: check
    - Storm Troopers in Black: check
    - snappy uniforms: not so much
    - grand daddy actually DID finace the Nazis: priceless

  59. 4 George W. Bush was circumcised with pinking shears, making him
    what’s known in the rough trade as ‘a dandy’

    Bush personally circumcised Cheney:
    “…he was a naughty nipper
    he packed his ass
    with broken glass
    and circumcised the skipper…”

  60. flombaye says:

    54: kind of cool how both those conditions can be cured in one action. now hold still…

  61. #60, civilian dead in the millions: check

  62. flombaye says:

    56: (see 5) – as TR reminds us, george carlin got the name right. discourse with teabaggers et al is a schmuckdown.

  63. my buddy, who I served with, leaves his beautiful wife
    and two small children and great civilian job next week
    for the third time to go fight in these dirty immoral
    evil wars… maybe he will have a family when he returns,
    if he returns… other friends of mine are currently in
    Iraq

  64. 62 much better… and smooth as baby’s bottom…

  65. flombaye says:

    60/63: via rumsfeld: gassed an inconvenient population. check.

  66. 63 yes good, I fergot that one.
    also
    - repression of dissent: check

  67. flombaye says:

    66: you’re not done with just the ears, full moon boy. – now HOLD STILL !!

  68. MGBYG says:

    Told you all Tom Robbins would have been more fun!!

  69. flombaye says:

    68: on the otherhand, obama does outweigh all these minor symptoms with having a black dad. – hitler had a jewish dad. – very nearly the same thing. – it’s the bagel-dawg crowd, they say – but not only that. those people both have funny slang. “amen, m’ shuganiggah !” / “word, m’ niggah !” – see, it’s all the same. pasta la pizza.

  70. 67 Zyklon B

    Thyssen Krupp is huge here in Detroit, even got a giant
    billboard up on I-94. Mitsubishi built the infamous Zero
    fighter plane that killed a lot of good American boys, yet
    you still see sports cars with the name slathered
    all over the ass… wonder if Messerschmidt sold sports if
    anyone would notice… the Krauts and the Japs are BOTH
    convinced they’re still gonna win the war, if they just
    keep working at it. The big screw of history still turns…

  71. Oh Steph quit whining

    just because your brother tortured you and hung
    you and buried you in the fruit cellar…

    oh wait, he’s a REPUBLICAN? I’m so sorry.

    Still like the Slutty Flight Attendant outfit this morning.
    “Please return your attendant to the upright position…”

  72. David in Maine says:

    Housemartins!!!

  73. MGBYG says:

    Deetown Mark…Highland Park went to Japan and had the Heavy Industries built it a better Hillman. We can blame Chrysler for Mitsi!

  74. Funfacts about Social Security. Under the pessimistic economic predictions the SS Board uses, it will cease producing a surplus in 2017, and the trust fund will redeemed in 2037, after which SS will go back to pay-as-you-go, as it was always meant to do.

    Without any additional changes to the plan, in 2037, SS will pay out 79% of promised benefits (which, because SS COLAs go faster than inflation, will be more generous than benefits today).

    What this means is that we don’t have to touch SS until 2035 or so, and then, we can increase the FICA withholding from 12% to 15%, raise the withholding cap somewhat, or some combination thereof, and SS will be able to meet scheduled benefits for the forseeable future.

    Our duty in the interim is to raise the top marginal income taxe rates so that general revenues doesn’t take too much of a hit when SS starts redeeming its treasury bonds.

  75. 69 it’s difficult to type and hold still at the same
    time, especially with two crazy little long-coated
    Chihuahua’s demanding breakfast kibbles…

    Beaver Stack Item: last Sunday’s color comix Dilbert
    featured a ‘ventriloquist who dresses in a beaver suit
    and threatens to eat his dummy’… but thinking about
    it now I guess it’s not really the same thing.

    Oh silky little beaver pelt! you’re so nice [skating]

  76. #76, and if the economy does in the mid-range of projections, and not in the pessimistic track the SS uses to project future costs, Social Security will not redeem the last of the trust fund for several years after that, and when it does, it’ll make all scheduled benefits without changes to the tax base.

  77. MGBYG says:

    Where are “Corporations” in the f’ing Constitution??

  78. Hey, jackass, the government IS YOUR NEIGHBORS.

  79. 75 yikes! the Highland Park ref
    once the best place in the world to live, the first suburb in
    the nation, the most stylish mile of shops up and down Woodward
    Avenue… now the most blighted devastated three square miles
    you can find anywhere… Beirut looks good compared to Highland
    Park. Population 52,000 in the 30s… today pop. 16,000 if that.

    They can hook you up though, whatever you need…

  80. UODuckman says:

    Who was that who told that lady to go ask her neighbors for help?

  81. Amy outside of DC says:

    I’m not happy about this CIA stuff (we’re supposed to be moving foward, not pointing fingers about the past), but I am THRILLED that this was the top story on the news instead of Michael Jackson’s death ruled a homicide.
    There is hope, if the cops can say Michael Jackson was a homicide and it’s not the top story.

  82. Kill Corporate Personhood

    only prollem is the monster is out of the bag, there
    is no getting these evil entities back in… they have
    fled our borders, they are transnational now and THEY
    RULE THE WORLD… we are all so f#$&Ked unless there is
    a world revolution to kill these filthy things…

  83. Conservatives think that making the “little people” grovel to their community for health care money and other charity, it keeps them morally pure, which is their way of saying “beaten down”.

  84. #83, you don’t believe criminals should be punished? What’s the point of felony law, then? Making a moral statement?

  85. To any of my DC area Bloggin’ Brothas and Sistahs my lil’ old band (Memphis 59) will be playing at our favorite joint (and maybe yours too) this Friday; the fabulous IOTA Club and Café on Wilson Blvd in Arlington

    http://www.iotaclubandcafe.com/

    We’ll be hitting the stage on the early side (right around 9pm).

    Check out a tune or two here:

    http://www.myspace.com/memphis59band1

    Come join us as we rock like a bunch of disgraced, drunken cosmonauts.

    :twisted:

  86. 83 we need War Crimes Trials to ensure the
    Purity of our Moral Essence.

    We’re not likely to actually get anything.

    We still hold prisoners without trial. We still
    torture. We’re still occupying the largest Empire
    the world has ever seen. The weapons makers are
    still getting richer. The troops still die. The
    Police State is no smaller, the unconstitutional
    laws are still on the books… Momma’s beauty,
    desirability and allure are still just as… hot…

  87. 87 ‘rock like a bunch of disgraced, drunken cosmonauts’

    awright Richard! sounds great

  88. spiffyhussein says:

    Hi guys. #80—-perhaps the trouble is that RWers don’t like their neighbors?

  89. Amy outside of DC says:

    #85 That’s why Reagan killed the free college in California. On the surface, it was saving the state money, but there was a more sinister motive. If those hippie kids had to worry about paying bills (instead of mom and dad sending weed money and college being free) they’d be less likely to protest. Can’t attend a sit-in if you have to work in order to eat.

  90. spiffyhussein says:

    #91—that makes perfect sense. Yes, between Regan and Pete Wilson our governor for many years, education funding got gutted like a fish here.

  91. Momma’s Spectacular Ass

    not to be confused with The Pet Goat, the Pet Pharmakos,
    the Scape-Goat, the Smirking Chimp, the hiding in plain
    sight greatest in-joke in history…

    the Spectacular Ass actually lives on the grounds of
    the Compound in a specially constructed giant dog proof
    manger, where Chris brings him fresh straw every day,
    and takes him to the mule skinner to have his toenails
    trimmed every month

  92. k to the g says:

    Morning all. That’s why Obama should call it MEDICARE FOR ALL as Thom Hartmann (master of framing) has suggested.

  93. #89 I can’t take complete credit for that line. It was somewhat stolen from the song ‘Low’ by Cracker.

  94. spiffyhussein says:

    #94—Actually, Medicare for All is the name of a bill Conyers and Kucinich introduced in 2006:

    http://www.hr676.org/

    Common sense does exist in Congress but it gets ignored, even by the press!

  95. spiffyhussein says:

    #83—good point.

  96. http://www.detnews.com/article/20090817/METRO01/908170334/
    “Downtown’s 48 vacant buildings”… this is the heart of
    Detroi’s old business district

    I’ve been in many of these, taking pictures and communing
    with the ghosts

  97. k to the g says:

    Well, I just asked my neighbor to pay for my colonoscopy and they said no. huh.

  98. Amy outside of DC says:

    #98 I know I’ve said this before, but every time you mention the decay of Detroit I have to repeat it.
    There’s a show on History Channel called “Life After People”, speculating what would happen if all the humans suddenly dissapeared. They’ve got to the Ukraine and looked at a city abandoned after Chernobyl blew up. They’ve got to an island in Japan that was run by a coal company, the company shut down the island (then the most densley populated place on earth) in the 70s and it’s all abandoned.
    In later episodes they’ve got to Gary, Indiana and Detroit, Michigan. It makes your town look bad when it gets compared to nuclear leftovers like Prippya.

  99. spiffyhussein says:

    #98—–I hope you will convince the city not to demolish them. Some of them are quite pretty.

    Here in L.A. they have turned the old, vacant factories and offices into loft condos. I don’t suppose the housing values are high enough in Detroit to support that huh?

    What about low income housing? Get some of the homeless off the streets?

  100. Creeker says:

    Patriot Majority site not working? Can anyone suggest a good place to steal a letter to send my Congresspeople and Senators?

  101. spiffyhussein says:

    #100—-LOL. See? Our neighbors don’t like us. That’s the problem.

  102. k to the g says:

    someone suggested All American Healthcare instead of public option also too in addition subsequently

  103. Creeker says:

    #100 – my neighbor offered to do my colonoscopy for free. Should I take him up on it? He has a garage full of plumbing tools…

  104. spiffyhussein says:

    #103—It’s working: http://www.patriotmajority.com/

    Are you using Firefox?

  105. Primaries, folks. Primary Harry Reid.

  106. spiffyhussein says:

    #106—Is your friend an employee of a health insurance company? ;-)

  107. k to the g says:

    106. kewl. maybe you can put it on You-Tube!

  108. Creeker says:

    #107 – yes, I’m using Firefox. Some sort of Domain error. Maybe I’ll try ie (yuk).

  109. The administration doesn’t do these numbers. The CBO does.

    And that 1 trillion was scored BEFORE a public option was added to the legislation. Once the public option is added in, it becomes deficit neutral.

  110. Creeker says:

    #110 – my tube on the youtube!

  111. k to the g says:

    113. A first for the interwebs, which are a series of tubes anyway.

  112. Creeker says:

    Patriotmajority works on ie. hmmmmm. conspiracy?

  113. Tony says:

    103…creeker, don’t steal one. Make up your own. I can tell you that those email petitions don’t really get paid attention to. However, if you do write your own email — and you can find the address on your congressional rep and Senator’s website, it will be read.

    The rest of the stuff they just toss. Or they say we got 200 emails just like this one.

    Do it on your own. Spam campaigns are not well regarded.

  114. spiffyhussein says:

    I just looked at some of the vacant buildings in Detroit. That’s so sad.

  115. Creeker says:

    My Firefox tubes were clogged. I need a colonoscopy.

  116. 100 no no k, you got it all wrong.
    Under the Rethuglican Plan, your neighbor will not PAY
    for your colonoscopy, they will PERFORM your colonoscopy…

    using one o’them Proctoscopes of the Elderly Zionists
    you’ve heard so much about

  117. Tony says:

    117…that’s what you get when you’re so dependent on an industry that needs to contract. Detroit is facing the same situation Pittsburgh faced about 30 years ago. They can adapt, or die off. Pittsburgh made some hard choices and they are much better off now. Hopefully, Detroit will do the same.

    But if you’ve got a mayor who’s taking bribes, probably not.

  118. spiffyhussein says:

    This is a cute story about IKEA in Bejing. The customers won’t buy, but they like to nap on the furniture:

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-china-ikea25-2009aug25,0,7736661.story?page=2

  119. k to the g says:

    119. Isn’t it called the Liebermann scope?

  120. 101
    102

    Life After Humans is visible today in Detroit

    the ring-necked pheasants are doing great though

    those vancant rotting buildings are a national treasure,
    a heritage… no one wants them. The administrations have
    been so rotten for so long, anybody with any money have
    gotten out long ago

    I love that place, and I like the current mayor, Dave Bing…
    but it’s a place of ghosts, of beaten in broken down dreams,
    dire poverty, teenage pregnancy, illiteracy, boredom, despair,
    drunkeness, drugs, gangs, lawlessness… the cops don’t even
    arrest anybody anymore. I’m not making this sh$#t up, it’s
    all in the papers all the time

  121. Tony says:

    122…Lieberman…what the hell was Al Gore thinking when he chose him for VP?

    Of course, the VP’s spot is pretty much irrelevant but still.

  122. 117 it IS sad, but no one knows what to do about it.
    The buildings are in the wrong place. No one wants
    to go there anymore. Film makers love it, you can
    block off a main street for weeks no one will mind
    or notice

  123. spiffyhussein says:

    120—-I’m guessing you’ve never seen Michael Moore’s first film “Roger & Me” right?

  124. k to the g says:

    124. In my fevered brain, Lieberman was an insurance policy for the Thugs if Gore got into office.

  125. spiffyhussein says:

    125—-well that’s something. But the city leaders need to utilize the buildings for the needs in the community. In L.A. people are sick of commuting so that’s why they were turned into condos.

    What do people in Detroit need, besides jobs of course?

  126. #127, Lieberman was picked because he was the loudest “Dem” tut-tutting Clinton for his affair. It was thought that Lieberman would attract people who were offended by the notion of sex in the White House.

  127. spiffyhussein says:

    127—I don’t know. I think Gore was screwed by the Clintons and any number of other people. He was too naive to see it until it was too late.

  128. spiffyhussein says:

    I despise Lieberman. I’ll be glad to see him go. I hope he does lose the next election.

  129. Tony says:

    126…saw it. But for all the rants you want to make about greedy corporate execs, you are ignoring the point. The auto industry has capacity for about 17 million vehicles. Right now, even with the cash for clunkers boost, annual sales will be around 11 to 12 million.

    When you’ve got a third too much capacity, you need to shrink. This is the hard reality that GM and Chrysler didn’t face and it resulted in them filing for bankruptcy.

  130. WTF am I going to do for the rest of the day? less than an
    hour left here, I don’t want to get drunk at noon, again…

    life sucks when you’re at loose ends all the time. It’s
    difficult to maintain any semblance of self esteem when
    you have little or no outlet to be productive or earn,
    especially in this crazy social darwinist crazy capitalist
    behavioral sink we’re all wallowing around in… it
    slowly drives you into a terminal funque from which it
    may be impossible to ever escape

  131. Tony says:

    I would tear down all the vacant buildings in Detroit and turn them into parks.

  132. Amy outside of DC says:

    You show me where the bible says homosexuality is a sin, I’ll show you where the bible says getting your father drunk so you can have sex with him is ok.

  133. k to the g says:

    Why not make Detroit into an urban retirement community for people who want to live in a city and don’t need jobs or commuting?

  134. Hey all… I just wanted to stop by and make a PSA… The “Wee-Wee’d Up” montage was a collaboration between me and Shane-O!

  135. Chris says:

    Steph, the insane thing about Senator Coburn’s comments is that he is a DOCTOR!!!!! How the hell do you get a license to practice in Oklahoma? This nonsense of “volunteerism” to solve problems is another Reich wing talking point.

  136. Amy outside of DC says:

    #133 The live blog can help with self esteem. Try and focus on all the accolades you get from your posts, we all know you’re rather smart and clever.
    If you’re not happy with your life in the real world, spend more time online.

  137. Tony says:

    Mark, are you saying you have absolutely nothing else to do other than get drunk at noon? Isn’t there a charitable organization you could volunteer for? A community college to go take a class at? A library for you to go to and read something new and different?

  138. Hey! There’s not one single dumb-as-a-stump kid from Texas that ever became President.

    Dubya was from Connecticut.

  139. Amy outside of DC says:

    At a WWE event, they had steak and mash potato cocktails.

  140. 126 Roger and Me was brilliant. Poor Flint, MI, even more
    blighted than Detroit

    128 besides jobs, the people of Detroit could use a competent
    and honest city administration. And a school system.

    It’s not like the State hasn’t poured billions into it. The
    money just vanishes. Every day the newspaper has another
    depressing story.

  141. flombaye says:

    steph is telling carnivorous cock tales ?

  142. spiffyhussein says:

    132—-I agree. So how can you blame the idiocy of auto executives on Detroit? Should Detroit leaders have seen that GM and Chrysler were dying and planned for it?

    Did GM and Chrysler ever tell anyone the TRUTH about that or did they snow everyone, even the politicians, with their BS lies and promotional BS?

    It’s just like when people say all the RE agents in CA should have known what was coming. Why didn’t they? Because even their leaders, the National Assoc. of Realtors and the Calif. Assoc. of Realtors, told them promotional BS.

    When the people in leadership positions in a community are habitual liars, how can the community know what is best to do at all times?

  143. k to the g says:

    goes well with baconnaise sandwich

  144. They don’t come from Texas, Jim. Textbook publishers pander to the two biggest markets for economic reasons. Those markets are TX and CA, which do state-wide textbook contracts (IIRC, New York does textbook contracts by district, so they don’t have the clout Texas does).

    So history textbooks are least common denominator abomination that can get through both the CA and TX school boards.

  145. k to the g says:

    do Jodi Mama! te he he

  146. 131 I’m with you Spiff. Littul Joey Blabberman is beneath contempt.
    I could care less that he’s Jewish, what’s disgusting about him
    is that he has no morals, no principles except his loyalty to…
    Joey Leiberman. Screw the people of Connecticut, he represents
    himself and no one else

    crawl off and die Joey you putz

  147. spiffyhussein says:

    #133—–I know what you mean. That’s why I headed back to college. Now I have stuff to do, I feel like I’m going somewhere, I feel useful to my universities, and I’m going deeply into debt with student loans.

    That’s the only downside.

    Try volunteer work. That helps too. Do you like kids? The schools ALWAYS need tutors.

  148. The interwebs got all kinda crazy stuff on them, some
    of it more believable than others. I ran across this
    little gem recently, and true or not, I like it.

    George Herbert Walker Bush was really George H. Scherf
    [or Scherff] Jr, the son of Nicola Tesla’s right hand
    man. The Scherf father and son team worked for the
    Nazis and were instrumental in stealing many of Tesla’s
    inventions.

    Tesla complained about young George snooping around
    his laboratory, stealing things, poking into his notebooks.
    He called George a ‘curious little monkey’ and threw him
    out. Thus George H.W. Bush, Head of the CIA and 41st
    President of the United States, was the inspiration for
    Curious George. This all comes to us from someone
    claiming to be Otto Skorzeney, Hitler’s bodyguard and
    daring commando leader. Prolly no way in hell it’s
    true, prolly no was to prove or disprove it, short of
    DNA testing, which we’re now learning can be faked.

    still a great piece of romance. And given the evil criminal
    track record of G.H.W.Bush, I’m inclined to give it some
    credence

  149. Tony says:

    Sad news, folks. The majority of Americans believe the health care lies.

    It will join the lie about how cutting taxes raises revenue and how Jethro in his doublewide will have to pay the estate tax and how Obama is a secret Muslim out there in right wing nut world.

  150. spiffyhussein says:

    #135—The Bible is full of contradictions like that. That’s why I gave up trying to figure it all out many years ago. For example, the fundamentalists say that the Bible says people should never get divorced for any other reason besides adultery. But the Bible also says in Proverbs that it is wise to flee the presence of a violent person.

    So if you are married to a violent, angry person which Bible verse do you follow?

  151. Detroit office vacancy rate downtown is 27.8 percent
    The U.S. average for downtown office vacancy rates is 13.7 percent

  152. k to the g says:

    Yes! Probe the criminal Republicans and maybe they’ll stfu about healthcare.

  153. spiffyhussein says:

    #136—how about turning some of those Detroit buildings into museums so the kids can go to them on field trips and learn stuff?

    I’ll bet you could even turn one into an aquarium with a summer camp there and everything.

  154. Tony says:

    spiffy, well, it would help if the Detroit’s mayor wasn’t taking bribes. Look, Detroit has been on a long downhill slide for decades. Nobody wanted to make the hard choices, whether they were corporate execs, elected officials, or the citizens.

    It’s easiest to just go along with the flow and not make waves, especially if you can get a little scratch in the process.

  155. spiffyhussein says:

    157—-So I guess maybe someone with more power than the mayor should get involved? Like the Press? Or a Senator? Or the President?

  156. 135 thanx Amy, let’s get Dad drunk

    the bible is a kwazy kwilt

    read ya some Zecharia Sitchen, that’ll help you make sense
    of it. Try “Genesis Revisited”

    http://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Revisited-Zecharia-Sitchin/dp/0380761599

    silly little semi-domesticated primates with all their posturing
    and noisemaking, keeping the gods up with all the sexing and
    squabbling… no wonder the gods wanted us to all die in the flood.
    Good thing they Needed us to clean up after…

  157. spiffyhussein says:

    Well, I have to go be productive. Have a nice day everyone!

  158. k to the g says:

    bye Spiffy!

  159. Tony says:

    Another reason why Texas is screwed up.

    New Cowboys’ Stadium Scoreboard is Too Low.

    Dumbasses. Before putting the damn thing in, shouldn’t they have said, uh, maybe we should see if that’s too low.

  160. 136 Detroit would be a great place to retire if there
    was any infrastructure, police, EMS, grocery stores,
    public transit, snow plowing, street lights… what
    there is is crime, blight, plenty of drugs, ho’s, and
    lots and lots of opportunities to gamble… blackjack,
    poker, slots, gamble with your life getting out of the
    car… I spend [comparatively] a lot of time in Detroit,
    and it’s not as dangerous as a lot of my idiot friends
    who never go there think… but you can find trouble if
    you’re looking for it

  161. Tony says:

    158…he’s the mayor of the city. The President probably shouldn’t be getting involved in the running of a city. The press is doing its job and exposing the problems. Now what Detroit needs is someone with the balls to tell the population what is up, and say this is how we fix it.

  162. Skyhawk says:

    Wow fat chance for Sparta today. I thought I missed out being in a 2-hr snooze fest of a meeting.

  163. MahatmaKaneJeeves says:

    #155 — I’m hoping that is part of a big plan to totally discredit the people who are currently leading the Republican party before 2010…

  164. 140 It’s not that I can’t find something to do.
    It’s that I’m freaking depressed.
    My dreams are beaten in and broken down. I’ve lost
    my equilibrium, my car keys and my pride [thanks Mad Tom]

    my education and experience apparently count for nothing

    ok, you win, it’s not anything else except for something
    broken in me
    life no longer holds the promise it once seemed to
    I’m 48 and starting over is a daunting prospect
    aw I’m simply wallowing in my own self-pity and crapulence
    don’t gratify it

  165. k to the g says:

    166. It could be Obama’s card up his sleeve if he doesn’t get their cooperation.

  166. k to the g says:

    167. I’ve HEARD that weed works for depression. Alcohol makes it worse.

  167. Antonio72 says:

    Keith Ellison is incredibly impressive. He is fantastic. This may be too far in the future, but I’d love to see, “ELLISON F0R PRESIDENT 2016″!!!!

  168. Tony says:

    Mark, you can sit around and feel bad, or you can go and do something useful and get your mind off your situation. I’d recommend the first option.

    Sitting around drinking yourself into a stupor doesn’t do anyone any good.

    Go volunteer with some charity for a while so that you can fill your time and do some good. It may even cheer you up.

  169. Antonio72 says:

    KEITH ELLISON FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!

  170. 150 volunteer work is fulfilling, someone gotta teach
    those dyslexic kids to read, some gotta try to provide
    scholarships to deserving high school kids, pick up some
    trash by the roadside.

    I’d like to go back to school, I’m afraid of those student
    loan debts… I spend a great deal of time reading, studying,
    researching, which is prolly what keeps me alive

    thank you all for your kind words and support and ideas
    I’m just floundering here today, it will pass. It’ not
    really that bad, just seems like it sometimes.

    Aquariums in Detroit: great idea, only they are closing the
    ones they got. It’s economic I guess. The money is gone,
    soon the gods leave too, and no one left knows how to run
    or maintain anything

    In the mean time Stephy’s got her crazy boots on. CFMs

  171. flombaye says:

    133: try ferret-legging.

  172. flombaye says:

    135: “sin” doesnt really translate exactly to one word in english – it’s an ancient archery term meaning “not quite perfect”. – therefore, according to the bible, homosexuality is only a sin if one tries to use it to reproduce.

  173. Skyhawk says:

    Ellison/Frank 2016
    Let’s drive the wingnuts absolutely apeshiat.

  174. 158 it did take the Detroit City Council, the Detroit News and
    Free Press, and ultimately the Governor, but they did get
    Kwame Kilpatrick, the hip-hop thug mayor the hell out. He’s
    now in Texas, a twice convicted felon, living the high life,
    laughing his ass off, and refusing to pay the $1 million
    restitution he’s supposed to pay. Monica Conyers, formerly
    of the Detroit City Council and wife of John Conyers, faces
    her sentencing of prolly 3-5 years on a Federal Bribery Rap.
    Mr. Bobb continues to try cleaning up the Detroit Public Schools,
    with indictments coming down daily as the rocks are kicked over
    and the creeps brought to justice… it’s a start

  175. k to the g says:

    lol chris

  176. flombaye says:

    143: yes, drunkster, “roger and me” definitely had its moments. – funniest christmas eve eviction scene ever.

  177. Tony says:

    Skyhawk….I can get a sparta going.

    Watch this.

    The DLC is good.

  178. flombaye says:

    151: “…The interwebs got all kinda crazy stuff on them, some
    of it more believable than others…”
    alrighty then, let’s compare and contrast:
    specimen A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rkhbvm5YOo
    specimen B: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDrcerQ4KZs
    specimen C: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGRfDv7wLUc

  179. k to the g says:

    Heavy Metal Krauthammer sounds a little thready today

  180. 170 now you can go get a card in the State of Michigan
    and legally medicate
    prolly better for your liver if not your lungs

    133 ferret legging? similar to Steph putting squirrels
    down her pants for purposes of gambling?

    I will walk the kooky Chihuahuas, listen to my lectures
    on Buddhism, drink iced tea, deplore the world situation,
    wax the hardwood floors, and try to think up something
    snarky and at least half way funny to throw at Stephanie
    tomorrow. Better than getting sh#%tfaced at noon, that can
    wait until at least 4pm

  181. flombaye says:

    151: DNA evidence can be faked ? – MDB, have you been faking orgasms again ?

  182. Skyhawk says:

    Okay Sparta for everybody.

  183. k to the g says:

    double Sparta! Yeah, it did work :-D

  184. 180 oh that was freaking great
    the Christmas eviction scene
    loved it

    those poor people

    and the big stupid sheriff’s deputies, all sorry they had to do it,
    but still going right ahead, Christmas be damned, too bad kids,
    just following orders

  185. Skyhawk says:

    Hey Tony it worked, come on and Sparta with the rest of us!

  186. Tony says:

    Anyway, folks, have a good day. Catch ya later!

  187. k to the g says:

    g’day all. off to canvas the neighbors for some mammogram money.

  188. less than 200 posts today
    dog days of summer

    mebbe tomorree we can do better

    have a great afternoon, I’m off to do good things stead of getting
    wasted

    or at least I’m gonna try

  189. shāf says:

    You folks are slackin’ off. Almost noon, and you couldn’t hit 100 (much less Sparta). Sorry, I couldn’t be around to help.

  190. shāf says:

    #194 Meant 200.

  191. 151 scientists in Israel said last week they’d found ways
    DNA evidence could be faked, but then they said there was
    some kind of test to show if it had happened… I dunno…

  192. PJ Squeezy Louise Hussein McFlavin says:

    D’oh, late again!

    #192, #195:

    canvas the neighbors for some mammogram money -> plot point for an awesome indie comedy.

    canvas the neighbors for some boob job money -> plot point for a typical mainstream comedy.