LiveBlog for Friday, August 21, 2009
• Rep. Allyson Schwartz (D-PA) calls in at 6:30am Pacific to talk about health care reform.
• Rep. Joe Sestak (D-PA) calls in at 7:05am Pacific to talk about health care reform and Afghanistan.
• Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) calls in at 7:30am Pacific to talk about health care reform and his town hall meetings.
• Comedian John Fugelsang joins Steph in studio in NYC at 8:05am Pacific for more discussions of everything politics and pop culture.
• President Obama took his health care message to talk radio yesterday, telling listeners of a Philadelphia host that he wants to overhaul the nation’s health care system out of necessity rather than politics.
• Senate health care negotiators agreed late last night to ignore the increasingly strident rhetoric from GOP and Dem leaders and to keep working toward a bill that can win broad support from the rank-and-file in both parties, according to sources familiar with the talks.
• Former Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge says he successfully countered an effort by Attorney General John Ashcroft and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to raise the nation’s terror alert level in the days before the 2004 presidential vote.
Tags: Allyson Schwartz, Barack Obama, Bernie Sanders, Donald Rumsfeld, Health Care Reform, Joe Sestak, John Ashcroft, John Fugelsang, Tom Ridge
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HAL SPARKS AN IDEA
recently, macrame artist, tofu sculpurist, wallaby trainer, submarine pilot, beaver whisperer, aramaic haiku anthologist, actor, hipster, indian chief hal sparks re-introduced brott to the SMS the long-forgotten concept of “jesusy elements”. – i checked on what wikipedia had to say under the listing “jesusy elements”, and this is what we find:
right off the bat, oxygen and nitrogen get bonus points for being discovered by priestly (the ben franklin of his time).
neon, krypton, xenon, argon: these are jesusy, for they are noble.
even more so, helium, for it is also noble,
and along with hydrogen, it is light. – now, these days, we tend to think of not only tungsten, but also sodium as being good for light. this is because tungsten is literally named for heaviness, having 74 protons per atom. as for sodium, this one goes to eleven.
that limitation reminds us of course, that it was particularly tricky for priestley to be the ben franklin of his day, since they were contemporaneous. in fact, when they met, franklin’s graphic lesson on allotropes steered priestley from a primarily ecclesiastical focus, into carbon a niche in empirical chemistry.
thus, the work of great minds such as these help us today, to understand both the ecclesiastical and the empirical underpinnings of such jesusy elemental groups as hydrogen-helium-tellurium-carbon.
tellurium is named for the goddess “tellus”, as in “tellus the truth”.
carbon is WAY too versatile for immediate recognition as just one element, with allotropic manifestations ranging from graphite (a mineral nearly as soft as chewing gum) to diamond (not recommended as chewing gum).
together, these are the light, the truth, and the way.
others worthy of note:
actinium: an awesome alpha and omega emitter.
gold: shiny !!
iron: excellent for fashioning terrible swift swords.
note that metals which contain iron are called “ferrous”.
jesus would surely want our cultures to be as ferrous humanly possible.
Good morning, flombaye, and the rest of the early risers. Happy Fridee!
So, Ashcroft and Rumsfeld were behind the plan to raise the Terror Alert level before the 2004 election, eh? I’m willing to bet that if you dusted for prints, Tubby McTreason’s (aka Karl Rove) paws could be found all over it. The degree to which the Executive Branch was politicized by that cretin was unprecedented.
Looking forward to hearing more of the chatter at the top of the hour on the Live Stream.
Goood morning all! Happy Fridee
Getting a long weekend, it was decided by the powers-that-be that I needed to take another “vacation” day to make up for when I came in last Monday. Do I actually get to hear the “sausage being made”? Only if the livestream works, I suppose.
Miserably oppressive this morning, Bill’s hot breath streaming up the East Coast. AC not doing much of anything to help.
good morning, flom and shaf and all SMS fans everywhere,
#2, aren’t we surprised? huh? how could it be?
btw, doesn’t the current town hall action look alot like other plays out of the Rove handbook?
and how coordinated with the media those actions are. Should the protests go the other way, the faux media belittles and condemns, but teabaggers are “honest Americans representing their opnions.”
#3, hi Paul
We have thunderstorms coming in from the west and Bill screaming up the coast. Nice day.
You mean the previous Administration deliberately manipulated the “terror alert level”? I’m SHOCKED; SHOCKED, I tell you!!
And my heart’s having palpitations that Mama’s only 200 miles away. Only.
Now that the Obamas are back from their summer vacation and school starts soon, the time is nearing for the real fight. The only action that matters is the vote.
“President Barack Obama guaranteed on Thursday that health care reform will be achieved, and he stuck by the public option as his preferred choice for revamping the insurance market. ”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/20/obama-smerconish-intervie_n_264297.html
Happy Friday!
Morning, Carol.
As soon as the stream comes up, I’ll be heading outside to the listening post. Hopefully the thunderbumpers will hold off until the show’s over.
This is classic (projection). Bill-O responds to Jon Stewart’s tagging of Fox News as ‘liberal’:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/20/oreilly-responds-to-jon-s_n_264731.html
Bill closed with saying that Jon is welcome to come on the Factor anytime. Maybe Jon can do for Bill-O what he did for Crossfire (remember Jon’s ‘You’re hurting America’ guest appearance?)
what can never be reconciled with human understanding is how the marvelously inert chance the gardner – who “reacted” to the 9-11 attacks with primal shrug therapy, could ever have been construed as having a conceptual connection with security. – “protect us, deputy fife !! the riddler, the penguin, catwoman, and leatherface are headed this way with VX RPGs and 52-terawatt tazer nets !! use your bullet !!”
Amazing that the President took only a week of vacation. Unlike his “predecessor”. Of course there’s not too much brush to clear on the Vineyard.
I’m sure that they wanted to get him out of there before Bill came calling anyway.
#7, I mean once the Obamas return from their vacation in Massachusetts, then we’ll settle down to political agendas.
Martha’s Vineyard abuzz about the Obamas
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinations/2009-08-20-marthas-vineyard-obamas_N.htm?csp=DailyBriefing
9: excellent word. thank you for the reminder. i suspect that this may be the best video ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NHjtu1GA4o&feature=PlayList&p=F5D53F52EA83DF1F&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1
Morning, todos mis amigan. Happy happy joy joy, it’s Friday!
Say, I have a question. Why isn’t the entire Bush Administration in jail yet, trading sex for cigarettes?
Wow, wish WE had some rain. You guys get it all..
Say, that bush at the Crawford Ranch must be ass height to a tall Indian by now! Lazy GW, what happened to cutting the bush? At least when Laura didn’t have other duties for him..
Maybe those people (?) over at Fox News have it right. We don’t really need any gay/kitchen table marriages now, do we?
#16 I was going say, “Cutting the brush? So that’s what the kids are calling it these days!” But, the image of Shrub and Pickles doing ‘da nasty made me TUIMMALB!
16: please understand that now that the arduously physical duties associated with presidency (leaping out onto a carrier deck just like lincoln did at lexington and concord / working a bullhorn at ground zero / riding a bike without training wheels) have all concluded, dubya is free to meet with steamie colleagues such as william krystol, dan quayle, and the palins, debate fine points of the latest articles in “omni” and “scientific american”. the discussions on byzantine metallurgy must be particularly riveting.
Shaf, I deliberately used the word ‘bush’ instead of ‘brush’ for precisely that purpose.. ;->
Pretty clear that GW was just cutting the bush to keep up appearances.
I always thought GW’s codpiece was more appropriate to bucking a chain saw on the “ranch”, cutting those brushes..
19
You forgot his valiant fight with the Segway.
…and don’t forget Poland
18: did you just catch a glimpse of something that would make heironymous bosch toss his cookies into the ninth circle ? – lose your religion right along with your lunch ? – no problem, from the makers of shamfrikkin-a!, now there’s a way to clean up after your lost lunch and lost religion all at once. anorexia and lost faith are both about to become things of the past. in fact, both things of the repast, and things of the passed-away, become things of the passed with our new product. – we’ve blended the discipline of anorexia-bulimia with the prayer power of promise-keepers. “carin’ carpenter guild incorporated” presents: VOMITSCRAPERS.*
* not affiliated with heironymous bosch or his poster-child billy mays.
#20 Agreed. If there was one thing the Bushies learned from St. Ronnie was the elevation of style over substance. The Western White House (Bush’s didn’t even have horses) was a big set on which he projected his “rugged individualism” persona.
22: very well. how about a valiant fight with THIS segue:
“like a rhineland cowboy….”
- did that segue just qualify dubya as a campbell soup nazi ?
24: i would have been all for the reagan elevation of style over substance, had there been style.
With apologies to those feeling that the Texas panhandle is truly God’s Country ™, I always remember the ranch/visitor images as having little appeal as a Place To Live.
In my (shallow) opinion, the Texas panhandle truly sucks. In fact, it is why all the tornadoes appear there. Speaking of which, can you imagine paying a guy $2000 a week for a ride in a van for a couple thousand miles, sweating away with other Tornado Vacation fans? This is some of the flattest, dullest, bleakest scenery on the planet.
Good morning, ProducerChris!
Good morning, Steph!
Sausage!
Good morning Steph & Chris.
Has Steph taken in any Broadway shows?
Good morning, Jim!
Mornin’!
Yeah! Backstage chatter!
Is it raining where we are?
Can we call in with requests?
Guido Sarducci!
Just in the middle of turning us on?
and speaking of substance, oatmeal is still the right thing to do. yesterday, thom hartmann was interviewing a gent who founded “oatkeepers”, a bunch of law enforcement personnel who were taking explicit oaths to remember to support and defend civil rights against legislative attempts at diluting those rights. – they founded on april 19 to commemorate an important event at lexington. – hartmann pointed out that that was also anniversary to the waco event and the mcveigh federal built bombing, but the gent from oatkeepers said this was strictly about the lexington connection, and the man seemed sincere. – it warmed the heartles of m… no, wait. i mean – it warmed the cockles of my heart to know that these oatkeepers are out there promising not to infringe upon the right of the people to hoard quaker oats, and countering the influence of rhineland cowboys and other campbell soup nazis. chicken soup was never intended as a device for illiterate puppets to chickenhawk their wares. chicken soup, like quaker oats, and unlike the davidian branch, is a jesusy compound.
Oh no, Dead Air on KTLK link..
#27, my parents lived there a while, and the girl I dated in high school came from there. The folks are nice, but the weather is insane. Tornadoes, ice storms, droughts, it was just one extreme to another.
31: has steph taken in any broadway shows ? – close. when stephy wasnt looking, max took in cats.
Wee weed!
People play Wii a lot?
Semprini?
45: jim will probably be saying a wii bit about that.
Are youse hearing the SMS? KTLK link is dead air now. Forgot where to go to try the streaming link for the site. Direct me?
Mama and Rachel were doing it in her office before the show?
Hey now!
Love the Blazing Saddles drop in the mix!
Excellent job, Ken!
48
You can just go to the stephaniemiller.com site and click on listen live. you get 2 streams to choose from.
If you choose the first stream and you don’t have silverlight installed you will have to wait, so you might want to select the mp3 stream
50: yes, he was my ….. future husband !
#48 Button, top right on the show homepage.
So will the MSNBC appearance show up on the site any time soon…
Shane-O?
I watched the whole of Barney Frank’s meeting on CSPAN. It is something wondrous to behold.
He should be the press secretary.
wendy ? – is that why ed stayed eleven years old ?
#57, he married her because she makes the best spicy chicken sandwiches. And Frosties.
56: bill press already has a secretary, but this morn, he was taliking about a trip to the whitehouse, and it turns out they made a room just for him too.
58: haute n juicy cuisine. wow ! and so many peanut butter cookbooks !
And, the A/C repair guy was followed by the pizza delivery guy… Bow chicka bow bow.
oxycontin: the jesusy heroin
you’d think it would be easy to track the influx of oxycoton (sp?) into Alaska…where are the Feds?
61: the AC/DC pizza delivery guy no less
Newsmax – the site that advertises floor-humpers.
63: i wasnt really supposed to say, but four of them are right behind you.
TR – I seem to be too stupid to find the link(s). Can you show me a direct link? I see all sorts of stuff, but no links to listen to the show live. Possibly Adblock Plus is hiding it?
65: new from amazon: “the hole in the bed” by mister completely
That was a heavy fall!
67: the mooks must have formed an ad bloc committee to protect ivan
what a relief…I thought it was a werewolf attack from Mageverse
67
If you’re a member (i think you have to be to get on the liveblog), you could just go here.
https://www.stephaniemiller.com/members/member.php
#55 – TR, you mean, putting Steph’s fill-in (for Imus) shows up on StephSpace?
TR – never mind! I looked everywhere EXCEPT top of page! Also, got it working, using WMP, no Silverlight. TKS..
#55 – OH! — you mean Steph on Ed last night (a little slow this am)
My video to USB adaptor is malfunctioning
73: how do randi rhodes and don imus feel about nappy-unibrowed ho-ahs ?
Snotty Boy spouting off again?
I’d read that tome of his, but not before I scarf down half a bottle of sleeping pills and a pint of 100 proof Scotch Whiskey!
75
I has a sad.
if we leave the illegals diseased and dying…easier to find that way…
Crotchety and Crazy = Crazchety
78: if i had 2 orgasms right now, i would give you one. honest.
More Republicans – Rush Limbaugh maybe?
the old people who are quitting AARP and going off to smoke themselves into oblivion are forming a smokers’ club named “ASSASA”.
Morning, all. Summer has hit the DC area with a vengeance. I would figure that with all the congressional critters out of the area, it would cool down!
You know what I wonder about? All these people talking about how government sponsored health insurance is socialism?
What needs to be done is this. People need to be asked if they have and use insurance.
Because insurance is communism. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. That’s what insurance is!
So, if you use insurance OF ANY SORT, you are a communist.
KTLK is airing now.
a kudos upon the people of new jersey. – they wound up unknowingly stopping bob dylan, but they obviously thott they were stopping the lockerie bomber.
May the Schwartz be with you!
GTop of the Morning! #56 I watched that too… Um Yeah he needs a WH post! Press Sec.
Who wears suspenders?
but what’s with the big spinning bowtie ?
Switched back to KTLK – Liquid Compass sounds like it is broadcast from the bottom of a well, and commercials about 6 dB higher than program.
TKS.
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Belt, suspenders.. we need a jock strap and a hernia brace..
#89 Larry King… Hello!
88
I’d rather keep him as MY rep, thank you.
89: watch and learn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd5clMjlo5A
Maybe if he said reform is the bridge, and public option is the suspension.
92 – D’uoh!
91
The only thing is, you won’t be hearing the banter between Chris & Steph at the top of the hour, since she’s in NYC. That’s only on the LC streams.
Barney Frank was great, especially when he read the bill.
I also, of course, adore Jon Stewart! He took on that scum who started the death panel BS.
91
Max! Stephanie fell down the well!!! Get help!!!
TR, I’ll forego the banter, because I can’t deal with Liquid Compass’ rotten 6 minute meth guitar loop on the hour. I know that loop must be played in Hell.
#100, that’s the point, the loop is replaced with show prep discussion and banter. It’s really funny.
Also the MP3 stream doesn’t sound like it’s coming from a well.
How about that…Fixed and Fiends edited Frank’s proper response to that nut, removed the Nazi reference.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200908190020
This Lady is NOT going to honestly answer Stephs Questions.
The talking points will not be IGNORED!
Poor Steph…
100: i severely miss the days when it took at least one audition to get onto the radio. – i’m pretty sure that anything whitney houston and below is just field tested on earth, for selection in the fifth circle of hell and beneath.
OK, I did just get some well sound on the MP3 stream.
Sue rocks in Rockville!
hell has the muzak version of Girl from Ipanema on continuous loop..FYI
what does having an appropriate thott feel like ?
I’ve heard the banter before, it is entertaining.. I’m too lazy to switch back now.
Steph wants to see Toe Sucker nude? Did I hear that right?
Stephanie Louise Miller!!
110
No, she meant Obama.
107: lose the case, and get stoned.
Ruth, I thought Hell also played Blinded By the Light and Billy Don’t Be a Hero..
Does he wear pants when he’s in the tub with Jim Carey?
depends on your State of Sin I guess. Hell is very adaptive, not one of those One Size Fits All types of damnation your lazy demonic types prefer
114: one can always put “haywood” on one’s rezhoomay, since nobody really knows their names. – i know one chap (a white guy), who decided to tell prospective employers he had been one of the pips.
Hold…. Hold… HOLD! is Gladiator, not Braveheart.
Ruth, you’re saying the size of the drum (your butt gets stretch over) varies according to your State of Sin? Makes sense.
Steph..I do think Obama doesn’t want the progressive response to peak too early…I think the RWNJs have already. They’re snoozing the beer buzz off now…rifles in hand
#120 or Schmuck-rolled!
Hangman, hangman, hangman. Slack your rope awhile, I think I see my brother, ridin’ many a mile.. KkkkkkkKKK!
Later skaters. Have a good weekend.
118: “triple H” also appears in braveheart (your mom been tellin stories about me again ?”), as well as in WWF.
On Belt and Suspenders:
Great line from Once Upon a Time In The West, where Henry Fonda plays the ultra-evil Frank. A guy says, “You can trust me Frank.” Frank (Fonda) answers, “Look at you. Belt AND suspenders? How can you trust a man who doesn’t trust his own pants?
122: dont anybody take any chewing gum til we find where that schmuck rolled.
Time to make the snausages!
Say, I may have missed it. Wasn’t it pretty well confirmed that Tom Delay was **feces faced** when he went on Tweety’s program and asked for Obama’s gift certificate?
Delay still looks like he is made from paste or spackel, lining colon walls..
Where sausage?
I can haz sausage?
#125, does it? Yeah, I guess it might, with the cavalry charge.
Knowing what I know now, I’m a tad embarrassed to have ever watched Braveheart. At least Gladiator is obvious that it’s a cross between Hamlet and The Fall of the Roman Empire.
Maybe using the Windows Media Player (I don’t have Silver Light and don’t want it) has a problem. I tried it again to hear the “banter” and got the Liquid Feces Meth Guitar loop..
Hell with it.
I was watching Wendy Malick on Baywatch trying to dumb down her acting to the level of hasselhoff
No chatter on the Live Stream. Sad Panda.
I just got out of the shower, and what do I hear? Wild thing loop. Chris made a liar out of me.
It’s because I’m listening in. I’m not allowed to hear sausage.
#137 I’d settle for tofu (if I can’t have sausage).
I think the suspenders/belt example means that if we have both,we are covered. It’s possible to go with one or the other, but we should really have both to make sure we aren’t left pantless.
Liquid Compass is BASTARD PEOPLE..
134: Hey, don’t hassle the Hoff. Kit will git ya.
I think a basic civics lesson on forms of government would also help the public: what is Free Market Capitalism? Socialized Market Capitalism? Communistic Anarchy?.. along with a dose of: no one economic model can be applied successfully to the delivery of all goods and all services…sometimes Free Market Capitalism is best…but for necessities like Healthcare it could (SHOULD!)be Socialized Market Capitalism.
132: admit it. you loved the anachronistic wardrobe.
#139 Carrying the analogy further…
While we’re distracted from getting our belt and suspenders (by all the noise and lies), our pants have fallen down and PhARMA and Big Insurance are raping us.
Communistic anarchy I think is not correct. Anarchy is no government, and communism (as it classically was applied) is very governing..
PLEASE remember next hour ProducerChris, Please?
okay, i”ve used all my lifelines… for the rest of the day, i’m wearing both suspenders and a kilt. that’s my final ansah. pasta la pizza.
You mean Joke Sestak, right?
At least according to Fixed Noise.
ProducerChris, fool me once….
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shame on you?
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You can’t get fooled again!!
Boy howdy, indeed!
145 roll with it…later tonight you’ll have dream where Communistic Anarchists frolic…you’ll love it.
#145, “communism” as practiced was supposedly a “transitional phase”, necessary because the countries that went communist weren’t already highly industrialized, something Marx was thought necessary for it.
The Soviets came up with the idea that the party and state would do a command economy until the conditions had been achieved, and then the state and party could disband.
You can see the obvious problem. A transitional period can be indefinite, and the party running the transition gets fond of the power and patronage.
#152, which is to say anarchy (no rulers) was the supposed end-state of communism.
And everyone got a pony too.
Ruth, this morning I was riding a motorcycle in my dream. Great fun until I looked down and realized I was in my underwear (variation of the at school in your underwear horror dream)..
Idiot caller.
Okay… we’re listening. Please explain yourself, caller.
Well, that was a waste of air time.
I <3 Bernie
But at least it was a motorcycle. You weren’t giving an important presentation or something like that in yer skivies.
up late I stayed up all night reading this piece on Ralph Nader’s
site re Pan Am 103 the Locherbie bombing.
it’s no wild conspiracy theory, it’s a fascinating story, a look
under the lid of the myriad US intelligence agencies in competition
with each other in an uncoordinated mess
and how that can innocent people killed or thrown in jail.
Read the story of a patriotic American, Lester Coleman III and
how he ran afoul of the DEA and CIA
http://www.naderlibrary.com/trail.ch.8.htm
#93 Ill trade you mine…I have THATE-E-US McCotter..(Conyers is near here though and he rocks)
Yay Kenneth!
Kenneth is my fav charecter on that show
at work they had one of those kumbaya efforts where they passed out buttons that said “I’m Excited” … those went fast
we live in an era where there is not enough government.
Government exists to keep the strong from taking the weak
where were they when Enron, Tycho, WorldCom etc raped and pillaged?
where were they when the banksters defrauded the country?
where was the Rule of Law when the criminal BushCo Putsch came
and hijacked the nation to fight illegal, immoral wars of aggression
to line their own pockets?
where blah blah blah
It’s already doubled in the last 10.
Also, according to the CBO, the public option will save $150 billion over the next 10 years, and will give the House Tri-Care bill a $6 billion surplus.
And this is before the exchange where you’re allowed to buy into the public option is opened up to large employers.
Let Bernie sanders Talk Stephanie – don;t kiss ass
161 yer in Livonia carein2205? Freaking Thaddeaus Jackass McCotter
that whore
Disturbed by Rep Schwartz’s remark “…whether we have a public option or not.” Waffles for breakfast!
And really, who wears suspenders anymore?
I agree that the President should get 80 votes.
We need to replace 20 Republican Senators with Democrats.
gotta love ya some Bernie Sanders.
The guy knows how to simply explain it.
I want to see Bernie kick Hairy Broken Reed’s ass
#170, sometimes I have to wear suspenders with a kilt (when I’m in full dress, and my waist belt is on my tunic, not on my kilt). It feels a bit strange…
My dad wears suspenders, but they’re Mickey Mouse or M&M themed.
1 Hal Sparks is a beaver whisperer?
that’s so cool
you must speak the beaver’s language
It all depends on the Parliamentarian. If we were Republicans, if the Parliamentarian didn’t do what we wanted, we’d fire him and replace him with someone more pliant. Like the Republicans apparently did to get Bush’s tax cuts through.
#169 alienated in Northville- Six Mile and Beck
176 I passed through that intersection yesterday I my way
to Ann Arbor to clean a frat house prior to school starting…
we’re neighbors!
I’m here in Southfield perched on the Rim of Detroit
Remember: to the GOP, “bipartisianship” means total copitulation from the other side. Just like “socialism” means anything Obama supports.
Fantastic use of the teleconference technology!
#177 wow! we have to do lunch or tea or something..The go storm a rally.
Trojan Horse?
Some Python fan should really sneak in that it’s a Trojan Rabbit.
A new cat toy for Steph.
Caller needs to be SLAPPED.
watched “The Last Seduction” last night.
Linda Fiorentino… wrow! almost as hot as Momma, but jeez what
a evil femme fatale, chews em up with no emotion at all at all
Telling a comedienne not to joke? That’s a joke, son.
Hello everyone. It’s so nice to hear someone reading “the bill”. Which one of the 6 bills is he reading?
Caller, you are a tool!
Caller is looking at the Republican talking point list.
Wait, wait—I have to get my copy!
Page 69 sez caller is a right wing moron..
caller jackass with yer chapter and verse here have a nice
cup of STFU
I’ll pour it for you
caller Mike from Dumbassville
Tard on
Bye, Mike!
If you’re a new employee and want to keep your healthcare, you’re already in a weird minority of people who don’t have job related health insurance.
I think caller is a liar.
The Republicans have been circulating a list of talking points about HR3200; he’s not looking at the bill, he’s looking at the memo that’s been drawn up, selectively taking one line, and then adding a lot of text “explaining” what it means.
Take off, eh?
Sausage, please?
180 yes, we can load up on box wine in honor of Momma
and go to Thaddeus McCotter’s town meeting and yell and
scream like fooles
Cancer is something no one wants caller. You can do all the right things (i.e. exercise, and eat right)and still get it.
Republicans should be neutered with a butter knife. After being injected with Pain Heightener ™, and slammed between two bricks.
Hey, Steph, what does it say on page 69? he he
198
Maybe I wouldn’t mind if the caller go it.
#165—I agree. That’s why I was glad to hear the news that Swiss bank accounts will no longer be hidden for the purposes of tax evasion.
I feel so sorry for the millionaires—them having to pay taxes like the middle class and all.
201
Damn it — GOT. Beer kicking in.
Hooray for sausage!
Page 16 deals with grandfathered health plans people are in prior to Y1 (2013) — says nothing about requiring dependents to enroll in public plan.
Page 145 deals with autoenrollment by employers – employees must be auto enrolled in WHATEVER plan the employer provides – private or otherwise. The employee has a 60 day period to opt out.
Thank you ProducerChris.
Anybody there? *Crickets*
POSSIBLY — the caller was referring to the “health exchange” which is where PRIVATE FOR-PROFIT insurance companies will sell their policies.
Smart people know that his gives Americans MORE OPTIONS — i.e. their boss doesn’t get to dictate which company to go with.
Or the caller was lying.
Since he was a conservative, it was probably lying.
ProducerChris:
Debunking of the Republican talking points on HR 3200 for you:
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=55223597239&topic=15445
Apparently what really happens is that new employees that don’t select a plan are auto-enrolled in the cheapest one until they opt into one. From this they spun “you’re forced to join the government plan!”.
I had a friend in high school whose mother did everything right, ate organic, grew her own veggies, took exercise classes, and she died when my friend was in her early 20s.
My mom smoked for 50 years and ate lots of junk and fatty cheeses all her life and she outlived my friend’s mom by about 30 years.
Arrec Barrwin?
I can’t wait to see Inglourious Basterds.
um?
Amy, me too!
I want to see Taking Woodstock. Sounds like an awesome flick.
210, Spiffy, – those anecdotes like that freak me out. :-/
Sorry, Liquid Feces is spouting meth guitar loop..
stupid question: do they know?
I’ve got my towel, so I Don’t Panic.
Hey Steph,
Please ask your rightwing nutjob callers to please use the SECTION names and specify paragraphs if necessary, otherwise lines in the section.
Nobody paginates the bill the same, and the right wingers know it. They know if we TRY to look this crap up, we cannot.
221… Here! Here!
>> spiffyhussein says:
>> #165—I agree. That’s why I was glad to hear the news that Swiss bank accounts will no longer be hidden for the purposes of tax evasion.
What are the odds that the most patriotic flag-waving conservatives are the most likely to be cheating America?
What might help is if Factcheck.org had a dial-in FAQ line where people could go to get a BRIEF debunking of the Healthcare myths. A lot of people are too intimidated to speak to ‘authority’ at all, so a dial-in “Press 1 for a Fact Check on Death Panels” would work for them.
197..let me know. obviously it can be very frightening in “these” parts
No. Don’t come back smelling like Jersey.
I keed.
Good morning livebloggers! Great to be able to listen for the first time. I am enjoying this immensely… It’s been awhile since I’ve on the blog during showtime.
oh right. she’s in NYC. doy.
Ruth, problem is, Fox News and their Associates would immediately create a Disinformation Line of similar type.
226… LOL! For sure!
#217—-I just posted that to say that we the American people can change our evil ways all we want and yet, some who are thin and healthy will still get cancer and some who are fat and unhealthy will squeak along in an unhealthy life until they are 85.
So the bills they have written wasted so much INK telling Americans they need to build walking paths and go out and use them, but I’m telling ya, that won’t magically cure our health problems.
Yeh, all those well informed, well insured, well healed, well educated people in ARKANSAS!
I also would very much like to see the FDA ban high fructose corn syrup. Maybe we can get that done in 2010?
Sean Hannity desperately needs to have the living crap kicked out of him, the lying little bastard..
227—Hello Suzie!
I find all Republican lies to be offensive..
#223—-Pretty high odds of that I think.
#229 I always go for the smarter fence-sitters who are wading through the information, and want a neutral bridge. I figure the pure Fauxies won’t budge. I think Obama strategists don’t realize how many people don’t have access to the Internet, but do have a phone.
Spiffy, I like the high fructose corn syrup poured warm and deep over my corn fritters for breakfast! Mmmm. Delish.
Too bad Steph is not doing anything where the fans could come to see her in NYC. Would have loved to meet her since I live nearby.
Hey Hannity, line 300 says you get shot with a jart and your body de-flates til you fit inside a bread box.
#221, Software Diplomat, Spot on. A little googling produces plenty of links to the full text of HR 3200, but the only constant is section numbers, which were conspicuously absent in our caller’s citation.
Here’s one version with page #s, but lines 15-17 on page 145 read as follows:
” (4) AUTOENROLLMENT OF EMPLOYEES.—The
16 employer provides for autoenrollment of the em17
ployee in accordance with subsection (c).”
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf
So, when chatting with rightwing callers, insist on section numbers with all your pending bill citations!
234
When is Hannity getting waterboarded again?
Well not again, the first time.
I have no problems with Obama using religious language when he is speaking in a church or to pastors.
But, to the general public, he needs to go no further than “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”
Conservative predatory healthcare denies Americans all three.
Kudos to your dad, John!
I think Michael Steele is having his stroke in installments.
Oh, by the way, Happy Friday Board!
Great, Fugelsang is here! A REAL comedian!
Greedy little Hannity is truly an abomination spouting any “religious” notions about anything. If ever anyone needed a good smiting, it is Sean Hannity.
CHINOS—-lol. Christians in Name Only. So true.
CHINOs, love it!
I assume that Fugelsang is a devout Christian. He sure talks like one.
243 and 234, when pigs fly..and Hannity develops testicles, neither of which is likely to happen in this lifetime.
251: When pigs fly. To the moon! Hannity is a coward, as are virtually ALL these right wing jerks.
oh boy, can’t wait for Alec to slap down that little puke.
It would be great to see Baldwin run. He’d need a lot of help to deal with the political machines involved.
Hey you, I think it would be a good statigic move to get the CBO to estimate the cost of doing nothing.
I heard somewhere that the Medicaid Part D (which the GOP DID force on America) had a provision for so-called “death panels.”
Anyone else hear that?
Please Mr. Fugelsang, if the American Nazi party had any effect, they’d be out there at town meetings letting everyone know what a Nazi really is (as opposed to the current definintino of Nazi=Democrat).
If I was a journalist, I would go interview some REAL neo-Nazis and ask them how they feel about the charge that Obama is a Nazi.
The weatherman in NYC lied yesterday, I hope they are lieing again today.
#255 yes I did…I’ll try to track it down
One of the biggest pissers is that the health insurance companies are going to raise YOUR rates to pay for their anti-affordable health care efforts.
#257 That’s what I was saying the other day. Where are the real Nazi standing up against the defamation? You think they like having a black man called Hitler? They should be outraged!!!
>> MidwestRuth says:
>> #255 yes I did…I’ll try to track it down
Thanks. I’m trying to track it down too.
That’s the difference between us liberals and the conservatives.
If we where conservatives we’d be calling up radio shows and repeating — AS GOD GIVEN FACT — something we vaguely remember hearing somewhere.
Need to smile? Check out this story from the NYT, “a 30-year period in which the super-rich became both wealthier and more numerous may now be ending. ”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32505284/ns/business-the_new_york_times
California Dreamin’ my ***. Our unemployment rate is now 11.9%
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-caljobs22-2009aug22,0,6343107.story
The American Nazis sure as hell aren’t LIBRULS!
Seems like a majority of VH1′s programming is win a date with a skank type shows. Entertaining as hell, but not really music.
>> Ivan Louise Hussain Biggin says:
>> The American Nazis sure as hell aren’t LIBRULS!
What bad luck we Americans have.
We finally get our first black president and he ends up being a Nazi! What are the odds?
#260 and guess how much they’ll raise premiums if forced to accept pre-existing conditions, and keep the chronically ill covered?
Ah, Spiffy, but all those Well Informed Arkansas Republican Citizens are very concerned about the national debt, and feel Obama really went over the line (after the $700B coughed up in less than a week last fall by the Bush Administration) in wild government spending – all in the name of “stimulus”..
Robert Novak’s passing will be remembered as The Day the Treason Died.
I have to work with Nazi’s, Neo-Nazi’s and White supremacists, yesterday the guy I conversed with kept saying he would like to machine gun a bunch of Muslims. These guys all wonder why one of their fellow thinkers hasn’t assassinated Obama yet. The Nazi’s don’t consider Obama one of them.
Lieberman/Baldwin Debate
priceless
#264, is that the U-6?
#269 They don’t mind increasing the national debt to help them, but something like the stimulus bill was supposed to help everyone. What could the GOP possibly gain by that?
Mr. Steele…
The reason why we are having so muchtroubl passing healthcare reform:
40 Republicans plus 11 Blue Dogs = 51 Conservatives
Subtract Kennedy, Byrd and Dodd who are out with health problems and we don’t have “60 plus votes to ram through anything we want”. We don’t even have the majority.
Conservatives are still the Party of obstruction controllingthe debate while accusing Democrats of being “unable to get anything done”.
260,268 I think that insurance companies raising premiums will be part of the reform
#273, ugh, no. That probably means the U-6 just hit 20%.
American Idol is the only reality show I watch or like.
And I will miss Paula Abdul. Sure, she is a little crazy but so what? It makes the show fun.
Randy Jackson or that new judge add less to the show.
#271 Then why aren’t they going after the GOP? Hitler is their leader, and being defamed by a black man. Where is the outrage? Don’t they care about their image? Little Republican children are going to grow up thinking Hitler was black and Nazis wanted to help the poor get healthcare.
I always guessed that Robert Novak had quadruple bleeding hemorrhoids, which explained his demeanor. Then I found out Robert Novak WAS a quadruple bleeding hemorrhoid!
#278 The new judge is Kara DioGuardi. As a man, how could not appreciate her in a bikini?
>> k to the g says:
>> 260,268 I think that insurance companies raising premiums will be part of the reform
But the conservatives promise that tort reform will end the problem rate increases! Don’t be such a skeptic!
#275, do we really think that, should it come to a cloture vote, that those conservadems really would support a Republican filibuster?
That’s why they’re stalling. They know damned well that if they help filibuster their own president’s prime initiative, they’re done. Which is why they just talk vague doom-and-gloom about the votes not being there, and stalling.
That, and the longer they stall, the more $$$ they rake in from the insurance PACs.
224 we’ll have to figure a way to meet up and hang out carein2205
Lets hope Congressman Anthony Weiner, 9th District, Forest Hills, NY goes through with his plan to introduce symbolic legislation to abolish medicare as a means to call the republicans’ bluff on government run health care in the form of medicare. It will be an excellent example of their hypocrisy if none of them vote for it. I wonder if any of their elderly parents are receiving medicare and if they are, why, if its so bad?
To those town hall disrupters who are on medicare….why are they using it if they hate socialized medicine so much? Why don’t they buy more private insurance?
Republican children are initially larvae, then progress to pupae and finally to maggot.
whut’s Stephie’s safeword with Max and Oliver?
#282 Further proving my point that the Republicans live in an altnerate reality. Texas has all kinds of tort reform and award caps, and their healthcare isn’t cheaper than the rest of the country.
But don’t cite that as an example, it would total knock down their arguement that tort reform is all you need to make health insurance affordable.
#279 They only like Cheney. Bush was a softy, Republicans have driffed way left of Reagan… A few were talking Ron Paul for Pres. Steele has never been mentioned.
#287 Snausages?
282. sorry, I meant to say they won’t be allowed by law to raise premiums under certain conditions.
8 hrs? I’ve done it with meal breaks.
That’s the signpost up ahead – your next stop, the sparta zone!
290 I think you hit it Amy
either that or barkpark
>> Amy outside of DC says:
>> #278 The new judge is Kara DioGuardi. As a man, how could not appreciate her in a bikini?
Oh yeah! She had a nice figure but she was so awkward about it, that the bit kind of flopped as “sexy-funny”, IMHO.
Don’t get me wrong — she was good as a judge, better than Paula who is probably the worst music judge.
But Paula adds color and fun to the show. So does Simon.
“I’m from Long Island, so we listen to Billy Joel and drive into houses.”
SMARTA!
Sparta???
I can see Sparta from my house.
Will post for SPARTA!
small furry dog demanding kibbles
back after Sparta
What?
Happy Sparta-day!
Peter #283:
Yes, based upon Conrad’s comments, I believe he is more likely to vote with Republicans against any bill containing a Public Option.
51 Conservatives vs 46 Democrats, and they wonder why we can’t pass anything.
Sparta!!!
SPARTA!
bleh
oooH! missed it by that much!
Skyhawk how many Sparta’s you got now?! FIX!
Yes you did, Skyhawk! *bows*
If I only didn’t post so fast…. I was told to slow down the posts… lol..
And Skyhawk wins again.
bows
Steph killed TV for the radio stars
Thank you all.
Skyhawk seems to get it a lot. One day you’ll notice his screenname changed to Spartahawk.
#304, even Conrad’s been parsing. He keeps talking about how the votes aren’t there for cloture, he talks about how he might not vote for it on the floor, but he never talks about HIS cloture vote.
It’s because he knows that there won’t be one bridge or road built in his state with federal dollars if he votes to sustain a Republican filibuster.
Thought I heard a massive gassive on SMS..
Chuch Grassley/Rich Asstley
Obama you bin Chuckrolled!
Grassley needs to change his last name to Massengill.
they won’t let Momma on the TeeVee
cause she’s so smart and snarky
and cute
I missed her on the Ed Show last night it reran at 3 am
so I’ve got it tivo’d but someone tell me she ditint get
bumped for once
Why does Jim DeMint hate America? The issue is healthcare, not making the president look bad. If only his supporters would call him out… oh wait, they all agree making the president look bad is way more important than healthcare reform. I doubt a lot of them are struggling with COBRA payments or medical bills from a procedure their insurance decided not to pay for.
SurveyUSA polled the public option, making sure to use the word “choice” (dropped from the last WSJ/NBC poll).
When you explicitly mention the choice of the public option as well as its role in competition with private plans, 77% of Americans are for it.
If you don’t explicitly mention choice, but emphasize only competition, only 42% of Americans are for it.
You have to remind Americans that his is about choice. Choice. Choice.
Think about it — CNN probably “banned” radio talk show hosts because they read the news all day long so they are well-informed on news topics and therefore effective and articulate guests. It’s a backhanded compliment to Steph et al. that they were being so effective in their criticism that CNN had to get rid of them on that lame-o pretext.
They say that cat Barack is a bad mutha…
First you have to attack Iowa with Depleted Uranium munitions. Then you declare war on cancer.
Mama’s too big for the small screen. She needs at least 42# HD with acompanying wine rack to really get her.
Charles Grassly, Douchebag
#325 I’m confused. By ‘wine rack’ do you mean the bra that lets you hide your vino? The 42(H)D tripped me up.
324. I heard a commercial on radio about a series upcoming on Spike TV about what to do if under nuclear attack. WTF?
#328, kiss your ass goodbye.
327 325 thank you shaf I was also confused in the same way,
thinking Momma would be wearing a 42H wine smuggling bra,
sadly deflated as Momma can’t help herseff from drinking
it all before the show comes on…
327. Noooo. 42-inch High Def TV. Wine rack accessory. Wine-bra’s are for work, silly.
328 that’s alreaddy bin done, see Duck And Cover
shout out Shaft! 323 way to go Shaf!
OK I think Grassley should reach out to his “get the government out of my life crowd” and propose legislation to cut all those pesky agricultural subsidies to Iowa farmers.
Yeah, but pretty much no one watches Fox outside the South. Rearch2000 polled viewership on it: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/17/0453/78268
331 yer only confusing me more
Momma with a 42H raq… and her Spectacular Ass… mmmmmm
btw nobody has clarified for me if her Ass has his own manger
or if he stays in the house with the dogs
#332 Not really a shout-out. Just have a great memory for the bit.
Ted Kennedy and Laura Bush went through the justice system and got their sentences.
Karl Rove hasn’t. Yet.
Poor Chris, he suffers so!
332. Duck and Cover II. You have 20 seconds to get behind something from when you see the flash. You have another 20 seconds before the fallout starts in which to get underground.
333 thank you
Welfare is Wrong unless it’s Corporate Welfare for the rich
Socialized Medicine is wrong unless it’s for fat cat Congress
critters with their gold plated public funded healthcare for life
314 – Hmmm… me likee
Where’s Shatner?!
Skyhawk I yield to thee and reveal my inner self.. (see photo I just posted)
Hey caller Marlene…
1. We don’t care how long you were on the line waiting.
2. One point per customer.
3. Then before she gets to her three points – she does a “before I get to my three points I want to say something else!”
4. And for the record, in case you call again, never tell me what you told the screener.
#334 I see Fox News on big screen TVs in Jiffy Lube, fast food, car repair waiting rooms…all over Illinois.
BloggenMooksters, buh bye!
God Bless, have a fine weekend, and don’t you dare change a thing!
L.
The writers and A-listers had their strike and got theirs.
How about the A-listers using their talents to promote health care for those who don’t make $8-10 mil per picture (e.g. caterers, craftsmen, tour guides)?
Shame on you, Steph. Jim need a few seconds to prepare.
Well, at least Steph and the mooks will be back next week – it sucks when She AND Randi are on vacation the same week.
Have a good weekend everyone!
Have a good weekend everybody!!
Have a great weekend, everyone!
Bye all! Have a great weekend. Safe trip, Steph. Take something from the Bonfire apt. They’ll never notice.
Bye, gang! Have a great weekend!
Catch Frangela on KTLK on Saturday and Sunday if you can get their streaming software to work right…..
#339, it depends on your distance.
The time for the blast to reach you is given by
t = (E/(p*r^5))^0.5, where t is the time in seconds, r is the distance in meters, p is atmospheric density (kg/m^3), and E the energy of the blast (joules).
This equation can be derived on a napkin, oddly enough.
have a great weekend evvyboddy
Steph: “dance Voice Monkey, dance!”
Exactly how much did Bush cost (is costing and will be costing) us in tax dollars? And, please tell me what did we get? I would like the numbers to reflect his entire administration as I feel that eight entire years were wasted away – our money – eight years wasted – not even to mention the little thing like the war and oh, there is the other thing called our economy. Can someone please make this point the next time someone is complaining about what Obama is costing us. And let’s see – what are we getting again – Umm, oh yeah, healthcare, sanity in the finanical district, improved education, better standing in the world, must I go on and on?