LiveBlog for Thursday, February 19, 2009
• Hilary Rosen, Editor at Large for “The Huffington Post” and CNN political contributor, calls in at 6:30am Pacific to discuss the first 100 days of Obama’s presidency.
• Bay Buchanan, President of The American Cause, calls in at 7:06am Pacific to talk about the GOP’s reaction to President Obama’s first 100 days.
• President Obama unveiled a $75 billion multi-pronged plan yesterday that seeks to help up to 9 million borrowers suffering from falling home prices and unaffordable monthly payments. The plan will make it easier for homeowners to afford their monthly payments either by refinancing the mortgages or having their loans modified.
• President Obama makes his first foreign trip as president today with a visit to Ottawa, Canada. Obama comes bearing a pro-trade message to assuage Canadian concerns over protectionism, a promise of a new strategy in Afghanistan as Canada moves to yank all its troops out of there, and talk of clean-energy cooperation as controversy hangs over Canada’s oil-rich sands.
• Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) said yesterday that a Senate ethics panel is investigating Sen. Roland Burris (D-IL) after his disclosure that he had spoken with the brother of Rod Blagojevich about raising money for the disgraced governor while seeking appointment to the Senate. Burris insisted yesterday that he was innocent of any wrongdoing.
Tags: Barack Obama, Bay Buchanan, Dick Durbin, Hilary Rosen, Rod Blagojevich, Roland Burris
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Good morning Mama, mooks and mookettes.
Happy Thursday!
(donuts and muffins are on the table)
Could Nanotechnology Make An Average Donut Into Health Food?
European food companies already use nanotechnology in consumer products, but few volunteer the information to consumers, said Dutch food scientist Frans Kampers.
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Mmmmmmmm
One for the Grammar police:
What Sentence Diagrams Reveal About President Obama
An interesting Youtube:
A Vision of Students Today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGCJ46vyR9o
I highly recommend you take 4 minutes out of your life and view this wondrous video produced by students at Kansas State University. I loved it.
(via Marc Cooper)
Morning capt
Gooood morning the rest of you livebloggers and especially Steph & the Mooks.
In the “how’s that Rumba working out in Boston, Clear Channel – or even Clear Channel ha$ it$ price” department -
Automobile dealer / musician / enterpreneur / really rich guy Ernie Boch Jr. bought ALL of the airtime on WXKS 1430 until March 2. So in place of Rumba is “Automatic Radio” – nonstop music from Ernie & The Automatics; which from the title you can guess is Boch’s band (and also includes former members from the group Boston) – promoting his latest CD.
Since I’m doing the static zap test today, I may just refresh the page now and then, but I’m really busy today.
Mornin Paul!
Is the music any good? I liked the band Boston – the first album was so fresh and it rocked!
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Not sure capt. They are supposed to be a blues type band.
The station has piddle power at night so I can’t hear it during my commute.
Hi capt and Paul –
I liked the video, capt. Cindy had a good link yesterday about kids these days, the high school basketball team that allowed for the grief-striken other player to play in the game.
HS students show the respect that Republican Senators lack
The band does appear on wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernie_and_the_automatics
Kewl!
And
Good morning Carol – did I forget to mention you look marvelous this morning? How do you do it?
Gooood morning Carol
You are looking sharp this morning too Paul!
why, capt! How sweet of you to notice! I dress especially to please you guys in the morning!
(actually, I’m struggling a bit with another health scare, this time with a retina bubble that, worst case senerio, is a brain tumor, but more likely the result of trauma from when I was so sick in October. I see the specialist tomorrow, will prolly have an MRI.)
So, capt, your words are so appreciated! You guys are kind and smart and give me a lift everyday!
And I do have a spectacular ass.
“And I do have a spectacular ass.”
Oh, indeed you do!
Grrrrr (oh behave capt)
Good morning capt, Carol, Paul and the rest of the early risers! Good morning team Steph!
I’m back at the software testing today, but I’ve got a wi-fi connection for blogging and streaming.
Will be sending good thoughts your way, Carol.
And thank you, capt.
We’re ALL spectacular here.
“this time with a retina bubble”
I wish you the best of luck, the least of ill health
and a quick recovery from whatsoever ails you.
Goood morning shaf.
See, capt, Paul, you guys give me such a lift. Thanks!
“We’re ALL spectacular here.”
Well, except for Shaf. Carrying all those SPARTA’s around – he is all muscle bound. Looking like a body-builder – all pumped up!
(kiddin’)
and thanks for the donuts!
Sugar is one of my favorite drugs.
Following up on yesterday’s GM discussion, I heard on the news that they plan to close the Saturn Division by 2012. Jalopnik.com has a eulogy:
http://jalopnik.com/tag/saturn/?id=5155957
AND SPEAKING OF “CAROL”…
i’m pretty sure that geritol and marathon roller derby are what enable our carol to pull it off… but the grammatical diagramming which capt has provided, apropos obama, reminds me of the time i met marcia wallace… – ms wallace had just released a biograph full of rich life stories, well told, and the venue was an oncology conference. – during a lecture there on the effects of one or two particular enzymes i can not pronounce, upon a chromosome whose alphanumeric moniker i can not remember, doctors in the audience were posing questions. – in every case, these were questions with simple constitutions, laden with strings of fifteen or so caveats and conditional limits. – i was inclined to suppose that the mind of an actively studious oncologist operates with respectfulness to the real constraints of the premise syllogisms within which the proposed puzzle is meant to be solved. by contrast, dubya was more along the lines of the shakespearean simile: “… in apprehension, how like a dust bunny!…” – anyway, the point is… I MET MARCIA WALLACE!
…and also, too Pontiac:
http://jalopnik.com/tag/pontiac/?id=5155904
#6 and #7 – Ernie & the Automatics here: http://www.imeem.com/rockmusic18/music/-hqTV9qY/ernie_and_the_automatics_if_id_a_let_you/
Not horrible — gotta like the 6-string bass…
i join shaf in mourning jesse jackson. – after all, they paid the guy millions just to be black, which is obviously hard work. how many people could really pul that off? – and this bloggo scandal was a complete shocker. – i mean, when the characters involved spilled forward, i could only marvel. “jesse jackson got laid? EWWWWWW!!!”
Check out this video
http://www.ktlk.com/cc-common/mainheadlines2.html?feed=244522&article=5033865
Woman Flips Out After Missing Plane
It has to be seen to be believed
Such stamina… she throws a three-minute tantrum at the ticket desk!
Good morning Flombaye and Shane-o!
What was that all-senator band that John Ashcroft was in?
Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius is seen as the current favorite for Secretary of Health and Human Services, Obama advisers said Wednesday:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29275480/
#30 The Singing Senators
Pretty darn creative, eh?
#28,
I think the lady is just trying to set an example for her kids?
I bet they are very well behaved.
The Singing Senators
John Ashcroft – Vocals
Barney Frank – Backing Vocals
Hillary Clinton – Lead Guitar
Harry Reid – Bass and Lead Electric Triangle
Newt Gingrich – Piano
John Boehner – Drums and Bill Thumping
#28 Well, that was entertaining!
is the tantric woman slated to be the nanny for the 14 kids? – somebody get snopes on the hotline. — oops, wait a second… michelle bachman says the correct total is 129 kids.
“Let the eagle soar!!”
I am impressed with Stephanie’s advocacy for more equity in the radio marketplace. She understands and speaks up. We bloggies get it, too, and stand ready to feed her words and ideas.
It’s not ok to replace radio with the internet. We need to use all our outlets. Keep ‘em free, protect our right to know and speak.
Go Steph!
Morniing bloggies! xoxox
#38,
They are all on OUR airwaves.
I agree!
If Clear Channel has a mega-breakup a la AT&T of the 80s, it would greatly help equity in the marketplace
Good morning Laura and Inadequate Blackmail
I have to say you all look marvelous this morning.
#41,
Totally! Not just Clear Channel but breaking up CC would be a good start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFmMGYv3mag
There’s gotta be a law against that much vibratto
you must admit, of all the singing senators, ashcroft was the most fun to get snockered with on butterscotch scotch while playing hopscotch, and then settle in to watch “xena, warrior princess”. – major props to barney frank thoe, for virtuosity on ali akbar khan covers while playing “sitar hero”. – tried to get zamfir involved, but the guy was locked in the dungeon with his bitch, the pan flute.
According to Wiki, the Singing Senators were:
* Fmr. Sen. John Ashcroft (R-Missouri) – Baritone
* Fmr. Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) – Lead
* Fmr. Sen. James Jeffords (R-Vermont) – Tenor
* Fmr. Sen. Trent Lott (R-Mississippi) – Bass
The group broke up when Jeffords got married to some crazy artist from Japan.
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And as MikeTheLiberal has pointed out, Boston does have progressive talk back on – at least in morning drive. And what’s better – IMO – it’s live and LOCAL. I’ve been listening to Jeff Santos as I drive in and I may stick around for a while.
AT&T needs a mega-breakup ala AT&T in the 80′s — they’ve almost completely reconstituted, plus they’re taking over cable (I hate to see what they do when Charter Communications goes under!)
God that song is awful
46 – mine is way better than the real one
Hey Steph I wrote you a short poem. Hannitys’ profanity’s, humanitys’ insanity!! Someone please flush the rush!!!
You’re a poet and didn’t know it!
Well, my victim’s prepped on the table so I guess I better start zapping. Have fun all.
maaaaaaaaaahvelous
SHOWTIME!!
*jazz hands*
*jazz feet*
Just plain jazzy! WOO HOO!
a RUSSian, while sipping a can of tee,
wrote a poem of insanity, hannity,
and while plush with the slush,
from the flushing of rush,
told of minds not as sharp as the manatee.
flavin, y’all!
I get jazz hands, but jazz feet?
Jazz in my blood!
go with it, IB,
woo-woo!
Buenos dia, amigas y amigos! You’re all up and at ‘em already.
I love the limerick already. ;->
Well, is the depression over yet?
And how about the rabid Michelle Bachman?
To “do” jazz hands AND feet one must lay on ones back.
Mornin Ivan!
Waaahoooo! It’s Miller Time!
Places!
:::crickets?:::
Bay Buchanan?!?!? >:-O AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
#62 If you look up “insanity” in the dictionary, it now comes with a photo of Michele Bachmann. That biotch is a 55-gallon drum of Industrial-Strength Crazy.
Ha! My Flinstones bowling ball ref made the show (a day late).
weird, Nova M is silent, just went onto listen live
Hmmmm, today’s Deliverance letter. *yawn*
Oh god, i jsut looked that cartoon up
Please, can we spare the histrionics on this? There is zero racism in that cartoon. It’s tasteless, it’s saying the bill was so bad it had to have been written by the rampaging chimp that got shot, but it’s not racism.
Unless it was racism every time we called Dubya a chimp.
Details on the NY Post cartoon:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/18/new-york-post-chimp-carto_n_167841.html
The cultural allusion of substituting chimps/monkeys for humans with incompetent or random results is a thousand times more common than its use in a racist context. People are desperate to find something to be offended by.
The worst part about the cartoon is page 11 Obama signing the bill then the next page – the offensive cartoon.
Morning all, who’s the latest idiot caller?
John, why are you defending this cartoon? Idiot!
Dumya LOOKS like a chimp to this day.
It is not nearly the same thing.
Wow, i guess i didn’t catch the racism in that cartoon, but isee how they could make the connection
Puhleeze, hang up on this stupid knuckle-dragger!
Caller is right, at least only on the allusion. Are we going to pretend that we’ve never used the phrase “thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters” so we can get our outrage on?
God, this is sad.
“John, why are you defending this cartoon? Idiot!”
Some people just don’t get it. Usually it is the racists who never have a problem with racism.
Pretty obvious stuff. . .
I havent seen the cartoon, but… honestly, its fairly easy to see racism in a lot of things… and a lot of them are unintended
#84, bingo. If the same cartoon had run regarding the same stimulus bill under President Clinton, would have it still been “racist”?
#84,
NY Post? I say consider the source?
Murdoch? How many chimpy cartoons did the post run while Bunnypants was in office?
(I guessing goose eggs)
nobody wrote the bill at all. it was all typed. steve guttenberg should burn for his devilish innovation.
Re: Dubya as chimp: Here’s yer URL on the matter:
http://bushorchimp.com/pics.html
Who’s driving the bus, chimps?
[colbert]GUTTENBERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRG![/colbert]
More and more of these right-wing callers are getting stranger every day. And not just Steph’s show either – Mike Malloy’s show too.
I have no apologies for comparing GW to a chimp, except to the chimps, who are clearly smarter than him.
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/honors/131
Media putz – no doubt.
Good morning!
I think the New York Post is written by a room full of monkeys pounding on typewriters, and I don’t mean “a bunch of black guys”.
Right wing callers are getting more desperate, and face it – it’s tough trying to defend the Republicans on their way further down..
#87 or for the “Police Academy” movies…
it’s “a bunch of blayyyyk guyzzzz”
Good morning Cindy!
(you are looking good this morning too!)
I dunno, i gotta be honest here. I’ve heard about the chimp story because it was on the Today show and Morning Joe 511313546513times. The cartoon is disturbing because it is so violent. I never thought it was racist, chimps are often used to imply someone is stupid, i.e. comparing Bush to a chimp. It doesn’t have to be racist. Although, I’m a little white girl from Upstate New York so i have never had and experience where i have been discriminated becasue of my race.
Am i alone here?
#86, the NY Post doesn’t like the stimulus, thinks it was so badly written it might as well have been done by a monkey/chimp. We get that. They’re wrong.
The stretch is saying this incredibly common metaphor must necessarily then be racism, while all feigning ignorance of the metaphor – and then immediately proceeding to use it (this show could be run by chimps).
Just because someone you like says something you disagree with doesn’t mean there’s racism or implicit violence behind it. If there weren’t a newsstory currently in heavy rotation about a rampaging chimp who was shot by cops, one could possibly make the argument, but no way.
People reading racism into this are doing the same sort of ridiculous histrionics Republicans did when they accused Obama of calling Palin a pig over the “lipstick on a pig” reference.
#93 Agreed, capt. Even if it is viewed as not racially offensive, it’s just plain stupid. Defending it, equally so.
OTOH, the connection to racists referring to ALL blacks as monkeys is well established, for hundreds of years. It’s clear that the cartoon is blatently offensive to blacks, and let’s not pretend that it’s not deliberately racist.
Put it this way, this is the sort of racist crap that we’ve learned to expect from the Republican Party, it’s traditional.
#102,
*high fives*
The post is just trying to sell their little rag.
It is a checp ploy that seems to be working as people are all a buzz!
Shame on them. (and Rupert)
and you know who runs the New York Post? Rupert Murdoch!! An Australian!! And you know who else is Australian? Mel Gibson!! A Racist!!
So you see, it’s all the fault of those damn racist Australians!!
I guess I’m one of those “sensitive” liberals, I’ve worked around the racists all my life, and the vast majority of them are card carrying Republicans. It’s part of the mindset.
GOP = Gag On Puke!
#95
that would explain the heavy-handed attempt at humor: the monkeys thought the chimp joke was funny… (makes sense)
#103, oh please, the linguistic uses of this metaphor that aren’t racist are thousands of times more common than the racist usages. Indeed, the racist usage is derived from the more common usage.
Remember how stupid and phony conservatives looked over the “lipstick on a pig” faux-outrage? That’s how stupid and phony liberals look now over this.
Legalize pot and the rw may actually be nicer people. Any one ever meet an angry pot head?
Nigel’s sounding more like Keith Richards!
Dan, there is no defense of racism. It’s the highest form of ignorance and it’s overt and deliberate. Racists have a problem, they are unable to accept the responsibilities for their own lives, and have to resort to zinging people because of their race.
Yes, I know it is traditional. I know it is taught and propagated by generations of racists. That doesn’t make it right.
laura in birmingham: you’s white? – dang it. i knew there was something about your avatar. i just couldnt place it. that’s what it is. so… what’s kenny g up to these days?
“I guess I’m one of those “sensitive” liberals”
Me too. I might be a little too sensitive about racism and hate in general but the cartoon can’t be seen as an effort at humor or political discourse. It is just offensive to me. Even without the poor lady and chimp killed just yesterday. The chimp being killed was used as an excuse to show some very poor taste. Not surprising it offends some people.
IMO
“Any one ever meet an angry pot head?”
You should have seen me when I was a younger pot head!
lolololo
(I crack myself up!)
To play devil’s advocate here…
You weaken the impact of racism by seeing it where it may not be. There are clear cases of racism and there’s this dumb cartoon. Be careful not to overplay the “race card” or it loses its efficacy.
dont fret, capt. once a younger pothead, you never forget how. you’ll be a younger pothead again one day!
#116,
So you think those offended should not be?
Some people are offended – some think it was funny. Both are valid opinions.
#114, there’s nothing wrong with being offended. It’s a joke at the expense of a very unfortunate situation involving a sentient animal that was clearly treated badly and went mad, and ended badly. I’m all one for gallows humor, but there’s really nothing funny about the cartoon.
But it’s not racist. If you see racism in it, well, remember a book is a mirror.
#113 flombaye- I don’t know, I’m too busy watching Wayne Brady
116: “Be careful not to overplay the “race card” or it loses its efficacy.” – excellent point. – niggardly doses would be best.
Hilary Rosen is great on the Bill Maher show
116# Yes! That’s how i feel exactly.
I’m not saying people shouldn’t be offended. But sometimes, people see racism where there isn’t any. I’m NOT saying this cartoon is or isn’t racist, but you have to be careful not to look for racism in things that may or may not be racist. Some people think racism is everywhere, and I don’t agree with that.
“OMG! Obama called Palin a pig! That’s sexist! Those sexist Liberals!”
Yes, this is that stupid.
gallows humor just isnt the same without ernest and julio.
#109 As usual, I’m with Peter on this. Yeah, the artist and publisher are idiots who both deserve swift kicks in the yamsacks, but this controversy has the distinctive whiff of manufactured outrage, the same kind we all detest in conservatives every day. One of my favorite blog-sites during the Bush years was “The Smirking Chimp” where the entire premise of the site was that Dubya looked and acted less like a Texan than a simian.
Good morning guys … and gals!
If the artist had written “Congress” on the dead chimp in the cartoon, no one would have been offended.
I wasn’t offended; I just felt the cartoon was pretty dumb.
I have a few things to check at work, so I’ll be here and there.
I can understand why many people see the racist aspect of the cartoon differently. We are all products of our environments, and if you have been exposed to racism as it is practiced, you tend to either join in or reject it. I’ve seen racism applied from all directions, and it’s simply wrong. Others had different experiences.
I’m all for making our judgments on individuals themselves. If you don’t like Obama, fine, but demeaning him because of his race (BTW, which is he, black or white?) then is simply being ignorant.
#127, yep, Dubya, the other rampaging chimp from Connecticut.
125 – that never made sense to me. Both men and women are referred to as pigs from time to time. The “pig” epithet is not sexist in any way.
Q: what’s black and white and a dying medium?
A: the New York Post
(that’s why they gotta print questionable humor)
“Some people think racism is everywhere, and I don’t agree with that.”
That really depends on where you live and who you know.
I was raised by racists and will never give racism one iota of slack.
I have also been on the receiving side of hate/racism.
Give no quarter to hate.
#126, they sell no joke before its time.
Since McCain and Palin BOTH used the “lipstick on a pig” it is not nearly the same thing. But of course any object thinker knows that.
OFW!
Objective – not object thinker.
The problem with the “race card” is that people play it all the time, often inappropriately. I see this in the workplace. My employer is deathly afraid to fire African-Americans because they are afraid the employee will claim discrimination. This is how the “race card” makes you a victim, and an insufferable one at that.
Now for today’s Hannity’s Blopper:
Details (including Hannity’s promotional audio):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/18/sean-hannity-allen-stanfo_n_168024.html
#131, and the outrage required them to pretend to have never heard the phrase “lipstick on a pig” or know what it meant; and the link to Palin’s statement about a lipstick being the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull was the most tenuous you can imagine. The only common thread was lipstick and an animal.
Which is why the outrage was so obviously manufactured.
#137, and the race card is being spearheaded by Al Sharpton, a parasite if I’ve ever seen one.
Here is some more of the funny stuff from the cartoon artist:
http://gawker.com/5155855/ten-masterpieces-from-sean-delonas
Classy with a “K”
Has anyone else noticed that no one is making this observation: “If you have to explain the joke, it’s not funny!”
The people who wrote it are stuck trying to explain the connection between the monkey story and the stimulus package.
Forget for a moment the implications to racism or the calling to violence against the current administration, because those imply subtlety and cleverness (which these right-wingers can’t even spell, much less understand).
This joke comes from simply one thing, bad writing. Honestly, this half-assed an attempt at analogy using the popular news stories of the day makes me think they put a bunch of note cards up on cork board with the headlines on them and threw darts at it. Hell, you take out the articles, and they could have been throwing magnet poetry words at a fridge.
My comment earlier about a room full of monkeys writing this badly was an insult to a room full of monkeys. At least they would have some sense of stream of thought.
there would be no difficulty putting lipstick on cheetah, who even ate the cold cream.
Steph’s gay ray was so powerful, he turned so gay he went all the way back around to straight again!
Looking at Delonas work one can come to some conclusions about the motivation for his work?
Pathetic and offensive – maybe it is just me.
I’m really surprisd Steph, Jim and Chris, CAN’T understand that they could nOT be racist
#142, no one’s defending the cartoon as funny.
Mama, come here and say that!
it’s gettin ostriches to wear their sunday goin to meetin clothes that i find problematic. lipstick on pigs and chimps and wallabees and such just aint all that hard.
“Where humor is concerned there are no standards – no one can say what is good or bad, although you can be sure that everyone will.”
~ John Kenneth Galbraith (1908 – 2006)
We are all sensitive to something. For me, I don’t like all those jokes about engineers, referring to us as “train drivers”, and pointing out that we can’t dance because of two left feet, both pointed backwards. Or scorning our talk about transconductance.
I’ve always countered with my own jokes about people with 110 ohm noses.. Yuk, yuk! Nerk nerk.
Looking at the cartoon again, if the pig had “Congress” written on it, or “Democrats”, there would be no offense.. I think the artist knew that too, but didn’t.
this commercial hurts my face
i’m going to work now, and praying to hear dear leader talking about putting lipstick on sarah palin. pasta la pizza.
Ostriches wear lizard skin cowboy boots and assless chaps (or nothing at all)
lolololo
Republican Governors could grandstand and reject the stimulus money, and then have their State Legislatures vote to accept the money.
But, then wouldn’t the Governors then have to sign, or veto the vote?
That is where the rubber will hit the road.
If those Governors really had the stones, not only will they say they will not take the money, but veto any legislation accepting it.
#151 Good point. It’s not clear whether it’s the personification of a group (like Congress) or the attack on one person (presumably Obama).
Thinking back to the campaign, I wasn’t offended by the New Yorker’s cover with the terrorist-loving Obamas. Poor taste, maybe.
A “black” monkey, is there any other kind?
A polka dotted monkey?
Sorry, I’m not going to believe this was meant to be racist.
#157, Japanese snow monkeys.
Am I not decent because I’m not offended, Steph?
jumping in -
should I have a black face (body) and heard references to monkeys, apes, etc. smirked at me through me life (even once), I would have a different reaction to that cartoon than folks who are not aware of America’s racist tradition of calling Black people that.
It was absolutely racist as well as insulting President Obama’s intelligence. The only joke republicans could give us in the last eight years was Bush’s presidency. I guess they feel like they hit gold with this double whammy. Unfortunately, republicans never do seem to quite hit the mark humor wise.
Larry Craig is always willing to grab a hose
*SKATES*
#147 – That’s my point. The right-wingers aren’t defending this because it’s funny, only because it’s right wing. They’re trying to defend it a not racist or not violent, but they can’t make it make sense.
Let the rethug governors turn it down. More for the rest of the states. I live in FL (no Charlie Crist jokes now) but he’s actually republican-lite and understands the urgency.
Capt: Boy, howdy. Anyone doubting that this cartoonist was deliberately racist and offensive needs to take a look at the link you listed:
http://gawker.com/5155855/ten-masterpieces-from-sean-delonas
to see samples of HIS work. Classy with a K indeed.
Look them over before you make a serious judgment about the cartoon.
And Capt, THANKS for the link.
when did america lose its sense of humor?
#161, we’re perfectly aware of that tradition. The difference is we’re not pretending – for sake of feigned outrage – we’ve never heard of the far more common linguistic allusions to monkeys and apes.
we are all apes. they are our family. but this is an attempt to make a class of people appear subhuman. who is subhuman? George Bush was portrayed as a chimp since 1999 and rupert murdoch is subhuman. Let’s just remember who among us is worthy of the name. No one trying to save the nation deserves to be mocked in any way.
the post has clearly lost its sense of humor
Hey, if the cartoonist admits he was portraying Obama, then obviously, it’s racist.
#166, he’s a political cartoonist for the NYP. I think we can take it as a given that he’s a rightie with all sorts of wrong-headed rightie ideas.
Doesn’t make *this* *cartoon* racist, nor does it justify the absurd over-reaction we’re seeing from the left.
#167 – I get your point:
“Here’s a joke that doesn’t offend anyone: ‘A person and a person go into a place’”
But in this case, the joke isn’t funny because it doesn’t make any sense.
OK, why not debate freedom of the press. Should we prevent such images from being published?
Hey, ProducerChris!
That was my reference to infinite monkeys and infinite typewriters! I mentioned it yesterday.
And I agree, if that were the case, the artist sucked at conveying the message.
The cartoonist admitted he was characterizing Obama.
nuff said!
Now I must go for a few – I’ll be back!
it only makes sense if it implies that black people are subhuman. please, if you disagree, present to me any other link between the dead chimpanzee and the recovery act.
#168 who’s “we”?
(this question is rhetorical, Peter)
Good morning.
How can anybody think that that cartoon wasn’t racist?
#174
they can print whatever they want… but jokes like this are gonna get some negative attentions. (as they should)
we have bigger problems right now, honestly, and one cartoonist’s poor choices shouldn’t hold up the business of “We the People.”
I can’t listen to this nonsense all morning. Mama, you’re looking like a fool todat; mooks too. I’ve said it a half-dozen times, I’ll say it again:
This is exactly like the idiotic fake “lipstick on a pig” outrage from the righties. There’s so much the righties do to get sincerely outraged over, but instead you flip out over a forced interpretation of a cartoon.
Seriously. Get a hold of yourselves.
I’ll be over here listening to music the rest of the morning.
Hey! Seems that the California Legislature just approved their budget!
I don’t know if that’s good news or bad news for Momma and the Mooks.
Laura, in answer to your question to Stephanie… “Computer says yes”
I think it’s disgusting how many people are trying to cash in on Obama’s image and campaign slogans to make a quick buck
no, we should not prevent such images from being published. It is healthy for racists to be completely honest with their feelings and to say exactly what they think and feel. Hiding it behind a lot of code words and tapdancing is the only reason reagan got elected, the only reason any republican since Eisenhower has been elected. No offense to the Goldwater/Miller campaign intended. If they had played to the base of the GOP, they would have had to completely go against all of their instincts as human beings and politicians and make race an issue. It was prime for doing so. Nixon saw this as the reason for the failure of the Goldwater/Miller ticket and he worked it into his own campaign and won.
#174 – The point of freedom of the press was not to defend people who print stupid crap, but to defend our ability, and, in fact, insight our obligation to refute the stupid crap that other people print.
Or more simply, the only way we know that the New York Times can print what it wants is by knowing that the Post or the Enquirer can print whatever they want, but it is, therefore, our duty as citizens to exercise our 1st amendment rights to verify or even challenge it.
173- you, and everyone else, are assuming that this was meant to be a joke, meant to be funny. if you do that, then i agree it missed its mark by a long way.
if you take it as political commentary, and arent one of those people who looks for racism in everything the right does, then you just might see it in a different light.
dont get me wrong, while i dont think it was meant to be that way, i can see where some would see it that way.
I think that cartoon was in poor taste & possibly racist…as an fyi, it wasn’t that long ago that the Irish were portrayed as apes in cartoons.
Jim made a good point about the cartoon. Had it been anybody else but the NY Post: one could have given them the benefit of the doubt. I expect racism from the Post.
#186 Thank you, Dan! Well said (er, written).
There’s so much the righties do to get sincerely outraged over, but instead you flip out over a forced interpretation of a cartoon.
“Forced interpretation”?
WTF?
This cartoonist has a history of offensive cartoons and he’s admitted as much.
What if the caption read, “They’ll have to find someone else to write the next Republican Platform.”?
Would Michael Steele, Republican Chair, be offended?
See, no respect for engineers..
No one asked me what a 110 ohm nose was, typically spurning engineer humor..
If you guys knew what we engineers actually do for you, you’d give us a big hug every time you were around us. (sniff)
#192 FAIR ENOUGH, HA!
Mama kissing Bay? IJTUIMMALB!
173. Dan says: “Here’s a joke that doesn’t offend anyone: ‘A person and a person go into a place’”
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Here’s a better one: A rabbi, a priest and an iman walk into a bar. The rabbi goes up to the bartender and says, “Hey, did the hear the one about us?”
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174. scooter says: OK, why not debate freedom of the press. Should we prevent such images from being published?
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It’s too early in the morning for that. Let’s discuss this after a little more coffee. I’ll get the old Danish cartoon with the drawing of Muhammad.
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179. HoneyBearKelly says: How can anybody think that that cartoon wasn’t racist?
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Um, er, um … a white guy like me?
I really thought it was just stupid.
Bay starts on Drudge? Figures!
Michael Steele?
That’s the guy that fake claimed that people threw Oreos at him.
He’d be demanding a congressional inquiry.
And Bay Buchanan?
I’d rather go smoke a cigarette.
wow, i agree with bay.
ty Shaf
#192 Excellent point!
Dan, don’t get the wrong idea. I’m all for (complete) freedom of expression. I don’t want to see this guy censored in any manner, just as I think Rush Limbaugh and whatever other rabid right wingers should never be censored.
At the same time, I’ll speak out against it, that’s my end of it.
Steph shouldn’t be so dismissive when someone doesn’t agree with her.
203 – agreed
Wow, Bay hasn’t looked at the link to the 10 cartoons from this guy.
Bay is sometimes sweet, in a naive Republican sort of way.
Yes! Palin/Wurtzelbacher 2012!
Hi all, Can’t stay. Just blogging while I eat breakfast.
I actually did not remember that historical denigration of black people by portraying them as monkeys until I was thinking of naming a political website after a monkey image. I was choosing that image because it was funny/cute. Then I remembered.
196 Mike the Liberal says: Here’s a better one: A rabbi, a priest and an iman walk into a bar. The rabbi goes up to the bartender and says, “Hey, did the hear the one about us?”
Why the Rabbi, why not the priest or the iman? Why make the Rabbi do the work? Are you an anti-semite?
Honey Bear: cigarette break. I’m all for it! Have you got a cigarette?
193–you’re right Ivan. We don’t know what you do. What do you do?
That’s why i like Thom Hartmann so much. He critically thinks about his arguments and listens to the other side.
Mama’s day has been made!
47. Paul trojanrabbit Hussein from Millis MA says: And as MikeTheLiberal has pointed out, Boston does have progressive talk back on – at least in morning drive. And what’s better – IMO – it’s live and LOCAL. I’ve been listening to Jeff Santos as I drive in and I may stick around for a while.
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Yay! I’ll forward this to Santos!
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157. Laura in Binghamton, NY says: A “black” monkey, is there any other kind?
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ASCOB.
Mamma’s a ho.
for years I’ve been explaining to people that I could not be a republican because the party is, at heart, the last national organization of racists. Not that every member of the gop is a racist. Some are just criminally stupid. But I often hear the response, “What has the GOP done that’s racist?” Well, here’s one more response. Anything that exposes the GOP as a hate group should be given all the publicity and discussion it can get.
#202 – By all means, speak out against it, I’m right there with you on that.
It’s like Steph and the boys say about the “Fairness doctrine”: “We need more talk, not less.”
That’s why we need more talk (and more talk radio) on the left, because we need to shut down the right-wingers arguments with the facts, not just shut down their talk.
I believe that lots of Americans don’t know about the history of “blacks are monkeys” and how the comic can be offensive. However, I don’t believe the Post cartoonist was unaware of this sterotype, and I’m sure he knew this was going to get lots of negative attention.
Hi, Mookskateers.
Bay Buccannan AND Stephanie Miller first hing in the morning. I must have awakened in talk-show heaven. Crikey!!
Make fun by the pitcher-full… with Jack Daniels!
I just ditched my “chimpeach the chimposter” poster that I carried in rallies for four years. It showed a chimpanzee playing with a Lugar. I think the image of a chimp should be reserved for George W. Bush. He spent years earning the title and he deserves to keep it.
166—well he us a bundle of joy isn’t he? Why does that cartoonist have a job? Oh, it’s because there is so much hate on the right wing.
208. Dan says: Why the Rabbi, why not the priest or the iman? Why make the Rabbi do the work? Are you an anti-semite?
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Of course, by the time I’ve told the story three times, with each one asking the bartender, it loses it’s luster.
The rabbi asked because his religion has seniority.
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211. Laura in Binghamton, NY says: That’s why i like Thom Hartmann so much. He critically thinks about his arguments and listens to the other side.
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True; however, we listen to Momma for the fart jokes. We can’t be completely serious.
BLAAAAH, I’m so OVER this cartoon issue.
215—-agreed.
222- Absolutley.
Mama, the guy who drew the monkey cartoon is not only racist, he’s a homophobe. Anybody that thinks his monkey cartoon wasn’t racist should check out his other cartoons and they’ll see that Sean Delonas is very familiar with stereotypes.
Check this out:
http://www.towleroad.com/2006/10/the_new_york_po.html
Is that Keith or a stoned Nigel?
Carol Carter and her Racist GOP Emails: Still as Classy as Ever…
http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=9534
This is a good one:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/employee_who_likens_self_to?utm_source=a-section
CA has a budget. It’s going to be a painful budget, but we have one.
http://www.latimes.com/
This is a really funny/odd picture.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-budget20-2009feb20,0,5263469.story
well the thursday bad moods continue …
why am I always in a bad mood on thursdays?
#228 Are there really people who think all the folk who turned out for the Inauguration were black? Isn’t there video and pictures that easily dispel that myth?
Not only were there lots of whites, Hispanics, and Asians on the Mall, but the dummies were white. The woman who had a newborn out in 20 degree weather? White. The 2 guys wearing shorts and no shoes? White.
I thought the all of the stones were too old, not too high?
Silly me.
#232 Do you spend your Wednesday nights watching Fox News? That could lead to a bad mood on Thursday.
“why am I always in a bad mood on thursdays?”
Maybe I can cheer you up with a little soft shoe?
*dancing*
My Republican friend thought it was hilarious to ask me if I had been watching the “InNIGGERuation”.. I’ve no doubt that he didn’t think that would really be offensive to anyone.
Yes, I’m a retired electronic design engineer. Please don’t hold it against me.
Anybody want to sign a birthday card for Russ Feingold:
http://www.russfeingold.org/get-involved/birthdaycard.html
One of the very few politicians I like.
LOL Cheridactyl
LOL, what is THIS bit???
Once upon a time before botox, and plastic surgery Cher was hot. Incredible I know.
“Yes, I’m a retired electronic design engineer. Please don’t hold it against me.”
So you drove an electric train? Nothing wrong with that!
lololo
(kiddin’)
237 – Unfortunately, that’s what passes for Republican humor
Oh, Stephanie, congrats on moving up from 37th to 30th on the Talkers mag Heavy Hundred.
No Amy I just always seem to be in a bad mood on thursday
capt – keep dancing
Chastity, get out of that bush
*DOUBLE ENTENDRE*
Yes, I’m trying to derail the liveblog again.
I engineer too.
SPAR – warming up – TA!
Wow thats a high note
I wonder if John Ashcroft can hit that in chest
Think how higher up the chart Steph would be if there was fairness in broadcasting.
*spinning round*
*waving arms*
*falls down*
(better yet?)
#246 Yep, I heard that, too.
Good morning, live blageurs! Happy Thursdee!
You people have been busy here this morning! Mama keeps quoting you. She must be short of material.
And, um, Cherodactyl? I lolled. And also thought, what the effing eff? Wow.
Too soon for Sparta…
233—I’m white. I can testify that it was a decidedly mixed crowd that crazily went to the inauguration.
I gotta go. Have a good Thursday. Thursday is my day at the homeless shelter. It’s good work. There are so many of them.
rock on, Aerosmyth!
253 – hey that’s fine… we seem to have lots of, um, material
*stuff gluten-free cruller in face, pokes capt, grins, skates*
Leorising!
Happy Thursday to you too
(dance with me a little – we’re trying to cheer up Cindy)
Cindy, cheer up and that’s an order!
Bye Kar.
We’ll miss ya until we see ya again (soon I hope)
Capt it would be better if you lined up a few Republicans so I can bite their heads off, ala Ozzy …. just make sure they’ve had their rabies shots first
Have we already forgotten Chimpy McCokespoon?
If black people want equality, they have to take the good with the bad.
Inadequate Blackmail aka Sexual Jihadist – do you know why I list JROTC after 10th grade …. cuz:
1. I was getting crap for protesting at Rocky Flats Nuclear Weapons plant
and
2. I was getting more and more prone to saying “F@ck off”
“if you lined up a few Republicans”
None of my GOP friends will fall for the line-up after the mock firing squad I pulled a few years ago – UGH!
*still spinning*
Honest Question: WTF Is Melissa Bean Talking About?
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=11699
Oh steph you don’t want to go there .. there are plenty of racists who think that cartoon is highlarious
244. Paul trojanrabbit Hussein from Millis MA says: Oh, Stephanie, congrats on moving up from 37th to 30th on the Talkers mag Heavy Hundred.
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Who’s calling Momma heavy?
She moved up because the list lost Randi Rhodes gi-normous rack.
BTW: The ad on KTLK advertising Randi Rhodes yesterday? Didn’t happen.
I wasn’t disturbed by looking at the cartoon. But then I was shipped pre-disturbed from the factory, so it’s hard to tell!
capt – damn! you ruined the pool
#262
i agree. primate humor applies to all knuckle-dragging people, it’s not like it’s reserved for african-americans like it was in the 1800′s-1960s.
we all came from primates. (i love monkeys…) it shouldn’t be an insult to point out our species-relationship.
some of us just never evolved (GWB, Limbaugh, Hannity, Bill-O, KKK.)
You might breathe heavily after your morning appletini
Randi Rhodes better be back on the air soon or I’m gonna punch a chimp
I wish I had had Prozac as a child.
“Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”
~ Martin Luther King Jr. (1929 – 1968), Strength to Love, 1963
Discourse?
I thought it was intercourse.. My mistake.
James Carter: Who died, Lee?
Lee: You!
James Carter: Detective Yu?
Lee: Not Yu, you!
James Carter: Who?
Lee: You!
James Carter: Who?
Lee: Do you understand the words that are a-coming out of my mouth?
James Carter: Don’t nobody understand the words that are comin’ out of your mouth.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266915/quotes
You know what else bug’s me? The seemingly commonplace use of the term “Bush Crime Family”. I get it on blogs, but I’ve heard it on ads for NovaM radio, and now someone just called in and used the phrase.
Let’s stick the responsibility exactly where it belongs: on George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Until we have real evidence of a consistent and concerted effort of criminal activities, the term implies a conspiracy that is not proved.
Now Sparta? That’s a whole ‘nother story!
276
No, Intercourse is in PA.
Next to Bird-in-Hand
Jumbo Jimbo..
my god, this is getting into gop whining territory.
mountains out of molehills
Vote with your wallet – effective and a good idea.
And the flavin
Best Repug gambit during the election : promoting use of the phrase “I’m just not ready for a black president” — it gave the bigots a self-disguising way of rejecting Obama. They probably felt it truly made them *less* of a bigot.
278
Well, if you care to include good ol’ Prescott Bush, then yes, it’s the Bush Crime Family. Heard it first on Mike Malloy’s show.
#279 Ironically, I took Peggy to Paradise (MI) on our honeymoon.
MTL
Everything is a conspiracy
We breathe together or suffocate one by one!
#279 Intercourse may be in Pennsylvania, but you have to go to Michigan to reach Climax.
273. Inadequate Blackmail aka Sexual Jihadist says: Randi Rhodes better be back on the air soon or I’m gonna punch a chimp
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A black chimp, or ASCOB?
#284
i love our black president. SO GLAD that the detractors’re wrong about him, and that we don’t have a grumpy old white man in the highest office.
Actually, based on the pre-WWII history of the Bush family and its business dealings with Hitler, as well as modern Bush escapades like Silverado, as well as dealings with the Saudis by the Bush family, I think the Criminal Bush Family is fairly accurate.
Cheney is just an honorary mouseketeer..
“#279 Ironically, I took Peggy to Paradise (MI) on our honeymoon”
I bet with those broad shoulders and that hind-end, you take her to paradise often – and I don’t mean in MI!
Spartans… behold: SPARTAAAAAAgh!
I sense Sparta!
SPARTA, one live blog united!!
288
Or as you would see on one of our MA town line signs.
Entering…Beverly
or
Entering…Sharon
SPARTA?
the new york post boycott is on air america here:
http://airamerica.com/blog/2009/feb/18/calling-boycott-new-york-post-advertisers
Sparta, ho!
SPARTA!!!!
SPARTA!
This is SPARTAAAHHHH!!!
bows to capt
You, sir, are a great and true Spartan.
capt with the win!
they really need new, or better, music for the breaks on the live stream.
Oh my goodness!
I took a shot and SCORED a SPARTA.
I am humbled and proud. I thank you all!
I couldn’t do it without each and everyone of you.
As always – I stand on the shoulders of giants!
#304,
Maybe some of the Young MC stuff?
(really anything different would be a nice change)
I kneal before Capt!
‘grats, Capt for spartaing.. Good on you.
Calling for a Boycott of New York Post Advertisers
By Christopher Netter
National Advertisers:
Bank of America
City Bank
HSBC
Capital One Bank
Bloomingdale’s Department Store
Diesel Clothing Line
Baby Phat Clothing Line
Jill Stuart Clothing Line
New York Local Advertisers:
Madison Square Garden
ASA College
Paragon Sports
First Platinum Capital Corporation
Russian Tea Room
#304
i pestered ProducerChris about it nearly a year ago and they still haven’t changed it.
Capt. We reveal to you our inner selves!
(speaking of apes and all)
today was the first time i ever heard of a young mc
“BUSH CRIME FAMILY”: i regret that i can not recall the name of the author, but thom hartmann recently featured a writer who had deeply researched watergate because of course, the premise that nixon was involved in the motives didnt square, – just as ford installing GHWB into the CIA never made a lick of sense. it was of course joked about heavily at the time for the incongruity. – anyway, the entire legislature is being given copies of the book, that they may better understand the nature of JFK (GHWB alone, of all people on earth, has no clear memory of 1963-11-22), the watergate scandal, iran-contra, and exactly why those same personnel were recycled into the cheney admninistration…. regarding entry 178: not to sound mean, but the phrase “bush crime family” is well established as the prime appropriate reference to the bush crime family. prescott’s sucking off of the nazis was only the beginning. – now you folks please move on and quit insulting chimps.
I truly aspire to become a higher ape!
lololo
309 – There’s two I’m still paying my card off on, and the others I don’t patronize. So a boycott is moot for me.
Yay, capt! You Spartan, you!
*bows*
i am digging our new SMS liveblog avatars…
it really adds some fun to the blogging, nay?
moronic right wing caller – insists that a boycott is censorship..
“When the judgement’s weak,
The prejudice is strong.”
~ Kane O’Hara
why is it censorship when Democrats do it
by voting with your wallet when Republicans do it
Looking over the advertisers I realize I’ve been engaged in a pre-boycott of the New York Post my entire life. I now resolve to continue said boycott for the rest of my days.
296 — Paul,
There’s also “Entering … Lynn”, “Entering … Lee”, “Entering … Chelsea”.
And, if you’re so inclined, you can also “enter” Dennis, Palmer, Milton, Dudley, Douglas and Franklin.
#413
me too capt!
(search: posthuman, transhumanism)
Who was that said we are just monkeys with car keys?
I think it is very close to being true.
if the NY Post is gonna run a racist cartoon, folks are gonna protest.
they can print pure evil if they want, we have the right to say it’s WRONG …and all is right.
Ha, Jim has been playing a lot of drunk guys lately.
309 – I’m already “boycotting” all of those companies as I don’t patronize any of them now.
Getting high?
I think I don’t have enough pot on my mind . . .
*skates* (I have to be lying)
“I am a homosexual.” Check Yes or No. The part of the app that chaps my hide. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/2/19/104223/026/829/698885
Oh capt, you got Sparta! Dip me quick, Leonidas! *swoons*
#309,
Sadly, I have run into this before. I bank with BofA and I HATE it but changing to another bank is just not in the cards for me now.
UGH!
Other than BofA I will boycott the list without reservations.
322
Yes, of course MtL.
And you can add Lawrence and Lowell while you’re at it.
Laura, I noticed that, too. Is this Drunk-A-Day Week or somethin’?
Leo!
Consider yourself dipped and spun!
Yeah baby – that’s how you do it.
Goood morning leo!
LOL, Jim’s killing… as usual.
Nigel forgot to mention “Meigs County Gold”
UPDATED x4 w/transcript: Holy Crap! Mayor of Lansing, MI kicks FOX News’ Ass!!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/2/18/15119/2121
Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but the “artist” of that assaultingly stupid cartoon in the Post yesterday was so lazy that he copied a previous cartoon this past summer. And he didn’t even label it “Best of!”
Story here (check out the laytred images of his rework – it could be 3D art!)
http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/06/17/sean-delonas-catches-flack-for-duplicating-self/
nigel forgot to mention many
but that’s from what I’ve heard
Thanks for the link, Cindy.
This takes me back to my old joke: “I am a lesbian.”
“Check Yes or No”
I’m a two dimensional cartoon character penta-sexual. There is no box for me to check!
(that stuff has to stop – seriously)
Good morning, All
I feel as though I’ve been out of town, but I’ve just been out of touch. I’ve missed the SMS inteligencia.
Ohio group shamed into changing their “you can’t rape a slut” website
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/2/18/163132/235
#339 Yep, it’s a local reference for us Ohioans.
Sarah – we miss you too when you’re not here. JSYK
Cindy-The judgemental, reactionary right wing in action!
350-Thanks, capt!
We could retire the debt – yes good but the real issue is 35% of all people currently in prison are in for weed.
THAT is insane.
We could save $$$ by keeping weed smokers OUT of prison AND generate some MAD $$$$ in tax revenue (if taxed)
I need to leave, testing is done for the day. Gotta’ catch the bus back to my office.
See you tomorree!
Bye, shāf
*phone ringing* awaiting pickup…
*drumming fingers*
#353
i think we should also grow hemp to replace our plastics with biogradables.
that would be awesome!
what better time than now?
STEPH LIVE BLOGGING PRIMER
http://community.stephaniemiller.com/_STEPH-LIVE-BLOGGING-PRIMER/blog/181047/81991.html
and, to quote the fabulous furry freak brothers, dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope.
I have never liked many politicians and very seldom ever liked listening to any of them.
Barack is the exception – maybe it is because of Bush but I actually enjoy hearing Barack speak.
I don’t agree with him on everything (never expected to) but he has my attention when he speaks. I kinda like his voice and delivery.
well, I’m thinking I’ll never get that pickup…
I’m mean, there’s a 1/2 hour… scheduled content… & nobody has asked what my topic might be…
353-I had no idea the percentage was that high (unintentional pun). I recently had to explain to my anti-drug zealot 13-yr-old why I support legalization of weed: primarily for the tax revenue. (Really!)
or as a friend of mine, poet Ken Mikolowsky, said in his poem “Recession Blues”
Sell low
Stay high
See ya later gator (Shaf)
And thanks for letting me score a SPARTA! (you are the master)
furthermore, when marijuana is legal, the price will plunge because people will raise their own in the garden. The war on drugs has essentially been price supports for drug dealers.
#362,
Exactly, make something illegal and you create a black-market (no racial content to that comment)
buy playboy magazine–hugh hefner has become a very generous and outspoken proponent of legalization. If you don’t want to read it yourself, just pass it along to a teenage boy. He’ll put it to good use
I only kill the weak brain cells.
I’m pretty sure the brain cells I still have are hardcore survivalists!
two of three groups against legalization of marijuana profit from its illegality:
the DEA
the drug dealers
(the third group, concerned parents… well they have a right to keep their kids away from that)
#339 I belive the Mayor is parroting what Mama said weeks ago. The Republicans want American auto workers to compete globally by lowering our standards to third world levels.
This is America, we’re supposed to be leaders. We should be inspiring third world countries, not copying them.
the new york post is the real joke
RW humor is an oxymoron.
Non Sequiter is one of the best cartoons still being produced.
I subscribe to Stephcast and for the last several days there has been no “Right Wing World” What happened? Or am I doing something wrong during download?
#364,
lololo
I didn’t know Hugh was pro-legalization. Good on him.
I would rather people use weed than drink alcohol – I’ve done tons of both and the alcohol is far worse in many ways. IMO
I would never drive drunk – not even one drink but I would not be as concerned about weed. Not to say people should drive when high – just saying if a person is on the freeway when I am I hope the buzz they have is herbal more than alcoholic.
FWIW
How will we ever get used to the world liking us again?
kneejerk premature obstructionation
An informed populace? Why that’s un-american (in neocon world)!
What is the consequences of doing nothing?
Who knows?
Who the heck wants to find out?
#371,
I think they have mentioned RWW is spread out in smaller bits throughout the full three hours? I might be off on this one.
hannity lives in a gated community on long island. the man’s totally clueless.
If Stephanie wants a kid, without the fuss, here you go….
http://www.twolumps.net/d/20090216.html
“What is the consequences of doing nothing?”
Just you wait and see.
(kiddin’)
373 it won’t last long. gop will probably resurge in 2-4 years.
they obey the laws and play by the rules
unlike the Bush administation
Kit Bond sounds like 007′s nephew or something
Sean is like Helen Keller. Only Helen Keller has a higher IQ.
My complaint with smoking marijuana is that it rips the lungs out. Same complaint as cigarettes, only grass is worse. Not healthy. It should be ingested in some other manner. If it were legal, we could all exchange some recipes.
#373
methinks we need to get past this climate of “No we can’t” and get back to Obama’s “Yes we can” vibe. that would get us a long way, picking ourselves up by the bootstraps and showing the world what we can do.
Two Lumps!
Paul – I love that!
Thanks!
Honestly, I’d need a lot of alcohol to put up with all those screaming kids
371, 377
That’s right. The RWW bits are scattered through the show, just don’t have the intro. And hour 3 tends to repeat some of the bits in hour 1. Some stations do not carry the full 3 hours of the show, so this way they too get to find out that Puff left Mama a present for Valentine’s Day..
*waiting*
Well, we talk about this ALL THE TIME on The Jeff Farias Show, I was hoping to bring it up on the phone here.
BUT:
looks like nobody wants to talk about how *enjoying your own body* is -in the American ‘freedoms’ view- synonymous with morals & ethics…
when VICE is about personal choice…
& ‘infantilizing the public’ & criminalizing VICE has nothing to do with ‘public safety’
but in a CULTURE WITHOUT A WILL FOR PRIVACY…
can there BE any chance of REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNANCE if the PEOPLE can have EVERY VICE or personal choice **criminally investigated & enforced** by a limitless Money & Power’s investigations into their personal life.
Is EVERYONE invulnerable to EVERY enjoyment of their body?
I guess the game becomes: ‘let’s get Elliot Spitzer because he wrote a paper on the mortgage crisis days before we busted him for getting his apple polished’.
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PS: Canada -along with other nations- often make a polite point of raising the flags of visiting dignitaries. its a respectful manners thing…
you know, like when the US sued the crap out of Canada & Canadian businesses to renege on NAFTA that got jammed down our throats… & eventually killed off the majority of Canada’s economic backbone…
the US has a *huge* responsibility to *maintain the deals they enforced on Canadians*… you know, to do the sorts of responsible things a negotiator in good faith must do…
now, let’s just say: IF ANOTHER COUNTRY tried to play ‘protectionism’ games with the US, they’d just get ‘Balkanized’ with militarized ‘drug war’ WHINSEC or CIA black ops…
or flat out aerially bombed.
think about it.
can you say “Security & Prosperity Partnership“? knew you could!
Michael “Hard As” Steele
an obvious dichotomy with Rush Limpbaugh
385 – Mmm, brownies!
I took my son and his friend to Chuckie Cheese for his birthday. It was Friday evening. I remember sitting there thinking this is what hell must be like. I still have nightmares about it.
“My complaint with smoking marijuana is that it rips the lungs out. Same complaint as cigarettes, only grass is worse. Not healthy. It should be ingested in some other manner. If it were legal, we could all exchange some recipes.”
Both are smoked but cigarette use is more constant (pack a day?)
Weed (unless abused) would be only occasional – so more closely compared to cigars.
There have been studies and cigs are many times worse.
Check MPP.org – lots of stuff there.
Eating (or ingestion by pill) of canabanoids does not have the same psychoactive effect – they have been trying to achieve the effect for cancer patients and others but smoking has the most positive results for medical use (so far)
parents wouldn’t take their kids to that god-awful place if there wasn’t liquor on tap.
“If there is, in fact, a Heaven and a Hell, all we know for sure is that Hell will be a viciously overcrowded version of Phoenix…”
~ Hunter S. Thompson (1939 – 2005), Generation of Swine
back to my point about DrugWar & Balkanization…
When the US was screwing around in Bolivia last Fall to start a freaking US corporate supportive COUP, Evo Morales & several other of the ALBA nations *punted the US Ambassadors the hell out* in protest. (you know, the way they did recently to Israel’s ambassadors)
What did Bush do? weeeell, overlooking the Time magazine review *praising Morales* for *keeping the traditional cocoa crops of the Indigenous First Nations Peoples* & reducing (CIA & their preferred thug buddies!) cocoa export as cocaine…
Bush immediately declared a DRUG WAR on … Bolivia.
gee, nice cover-up on yet another attempted US-funded coup on a sovereign peoples who attempt to use their collective national resources to alleviate crippling, crushing poverty created by huge corporatism & colonialism…
niiiiiice.
Give me a break! Raccoons = Racist?!
Coons = old term for “coloreds”
I’m surprised Steph doesn’t know that
Regarding the ape cartoon controversy.
As bad as the racist imagery is, I think the real crime is the crime it does to comedy. It’s not merely unfunny. It’s THUDDINGLY unfunny; a pointless non-sequitir that tries to graft two recent news items into something humorous. It’s an epic failure.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chucky+cheese
Lousi-Alaska
Yay Chris with the “Planet of the Apes the Musical” references. It’s the part Troy Maclure was born to play.
More Dems to get elected in those states.
“cover-up on yet another attempted US-funded coup on a sovereign peoples who attempt to use their collective national resources to alleviate crippling, crushing poverty created by huge corporatism & colonialism…”
But the “enemies” hates us for our freedom?
It just can’t be the stuff we do. That would mean we could fix it?
but “Coon” is also a derogatory name for blacks
unfunny when you consider that the chimp’s victim lost both eyes and had her face virtually ripped off..
Why is it when Bush talks with a Southern accent it makes him sound dumber, but what Clinton talks with a Southern accent it sounds authoritative?
Man, I lost the controversy thread. Work beckoned. Anything interesting happen?
Comcast is lagging me all to heck and gone, people, so my apologies for appearing to pop in and out…Anyone have WiMax/Clear yet? I’m wondering how it is…
capt, I’ve always said I’m omnisexual, so we’re a good match, I think.
Coon was a word used by my racist parents to reference people of color as was . .
Porch monkey, Borilla (female of color), yardbirds, “N’s”, etc.
Amy, why is it that regardless of “accent”, when GW speaks he is a complete dumb ass?
Jeez, Burris (and Murtha) are such a clusterf$#&. Can we just agree that they need to get out so we can clean house and stay on the high road?
Yay Steph said my screen name
Leo!
“I’ve always said I’m omnisexual, so we’re a good match, I think”
No doubt! I think we would be more than the sum of our parts?
*skates* (and apologizes to your BF for my thoughts)
Unintentional shout to Inadequate Blackmail!
408
Because while Clinton speaks with a Souther accent, he doesn’t butcher the language like ApeBoy.
And you KNOW ApeBoy’s accent is FAKE.
Get Franken in the Senate now!
You guys aren’t “saying” it right
It’s “blayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyk guyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyz”
#414,
You got the shout out!
Congrats! and Egggggcellent.
SENATOR Al Franken!
Suck on it, O’Reilly!
What accent does an Andover cheerleader really have? Not Texan for sure.
adios
Yay, got the whole band (keyboard, air guitar, drums)!
338. Cindy in Boston says: UPDATED x4 w/transcript: Holy Crap! Mayor of Lansing, MI kicks FOX News’ Ass!!
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Because Lansing is west of East Lansing, home of the … SPARTANS!
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343. Sarah in Santa Cruz says: I feel as though I’ve been out of town, but I’ve just been out of touch. I’ve missed the SMS inteligencia.
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Pretty funny, Sarah; there is no SMS inteligencia.
Have a great rest of the day y’alls!
Hasta manana!
“point of note, BigPharma is *desperately* trying to *criminalize OUR creation & personal choice for self-medication in favour of ‘Daddy Doctor has the authority to treat YOU, not YOU*… & to **copyright usurp** herbal compounds…”
Spot on – and exactly!
The bastids.
good bye all have a good day … no chat for me today again
#428 I have a niece at Mich. State, too. Go, Spartans!!!!!
Good day all.
Haven’t been participating in chat these nights since I’m working later this week, and when I get home all I want to do is go to bed with Steph. BZZZZZZT
Great day and live blog you all!
Have an excellent day!
See ya all here tomorrow.
Until them – be safe and sane (or safe and insane)
CIAO
So, are all chatting now? Should I go there? *kicks tablet*
wow, god forbid we talk about something that isn’t a fart joke.
well, I’m glad I went to the trouble to post here…
thanks Chris. you really bring out the ‘deep thoughts’
You guys know about this? Voting for Stephanie to Host 10:00pm on MSNBC- Sorry- no time to check for previous posts.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msnbc/one_more_time_vote_for_msnbcs_10pm_host_109085.asp
ckululpy…
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